Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

Is SAS still worth it?

I remember when I first started at SAS, I actually believed this was a company where you could put down roots and grow. These days, I’m not so sure - especially when I see how things have changed. It makes me wonder if the younger employees even see this as a long-term gig or just a stepping stone.

Back then, I wouldn’t have stuck around if I felt this disconnected from where things are headed. Now I’m curious - do the new hires still think SAS is worth investing years into, or are they just counting down the days to the next opportunity. Would be good to hear some real thoughts from those who’ve joined in the last few years.

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Wordy though he is, @14p+1jr111dpf speaks the truth.

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Post ID: @2q3+1jr111dpf

“ Indentured servant, share cropper, yes, slave, no.”

Why so intent on assigning meaningless and false comparisons?

You are a salaried worker at a successful privately held company. Come or go as you please.

It is no deeper than that. If it 8s deeper than that to you then you would probably be happier elsewhere. Or equally miserable

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Post ID: @198+1jr111dpf

Indentured servant, share cropper, yes, slave, no.

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Post ID: @197+1jr111dpf

@14p+1jr111dpf Can I assume based on your comments in current tense that you still work at SAS?

If so why would you stay and be a “slave”? I mean with real slavery you didn’t have the choice of leaving. You however have a choice. Exercise it if you actually feel that way.

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Post ID: @18s+1jr111dpf

@14p+1jr111dpf

We already knew from the previous post that you were an entitled, arrogant, pampered, obnoxious person. We didn’t need another long post confirming it.

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Post ID: @188+1jr111dpf

@14p+1jr111dpf I actually only ready about 10% of that because who really needs a novel about why you are so cool.

The idea of comparing to slavery has nothing to do with being overly sensitive. Unless you mean overly sensitive to mo--nic comments in which case color be sensitive.

There is no world where comparing willfully collecting a six figure paycheck, benefits, etc with slavery is anything other than mo--nic. You don’t ever need to come to campus, collect that paycheck again.

See I didn’t even need a novel about grandma to explain.

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Post ID: @171+1jr111dpf

Through buyouts, layoffs, and attrition, SAS has reduced headcount by ~20%.

There is no propaganda campaign to get you to stay. They want you to leave.

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Post ID: @168+1jr111dpf

Slavery out of bounds. Okay, an extreme example. Sorry your genteel sensibilities can't handle that example.

Okay, so here's another one -- during the WWII island fighting, the Japanese told the indigenous peoples of the islands that American soldiers would commit atrocities on them. Instead of greeting the American soldiers, the indigenous folks jumped off cliffs to their deaths. The propaganda wasn't true. Their deaths were based on fears ginned up by propaganda.

So...shame on me? I don't have any shame. My Grandma tried that shaming sh-t on me and it didn't work. Even added the wagging finger and condescending tone for emphasis. "Grandma, those statements are bullsh-t, and you know it!", I used to say.

Shaming is a tactic intended to induce guilt and nullify statements or behaviors the "shamer" doesn't feel comfortable with. Sorry, I see through it. Propaganda is propaganda. It's intended to manipulate you into a decision that is favorable to the propagandist.

Can you see now that my issues is with bullsh-t company propaganda? No, a job at SAS isn't the same as being indentured on a plantation. No, it isn't about reclaiming your life in the midst of war. It is, however, heavy on propaganda. Heavier than other places I've worked, and much heavier than places where other family members have worked.

My contention is that this propaganda generated false fears for your safety in the wider world -- it tethered you here, to this island, and possibly limited your earning and development potential. Can you see the wider point now?

Back to the previous message -- The "most important assets" line was baloney. If folks were such important assets, why did the company skimp on employee development and training, unless it was some SAS homegrown class that was being run for paying customers? Propaganda bullsh-t.

Many companies allow employees to attend conferences, and they reimburse professional memberships. Don't recall that happening much at SAS. A lack of development isn't consistent with "important assets".

Many companies offer educational benefits. SAS has deep ties to NC State. Sh-t, he probably could have negotiated some great deals with them. But as an employee, your company-sponsored educational opportunities are only Acapella University? That's the school where you can sing about your tuition bills without accompaniment. Other companies will reimburse for flagship state schools, like NC State. Again, important assets and such. Don't all crash in rush through the bottleneck at the gate at 4:30.

"We've never had a layoff". Up until that time, they'd never had a large employee reduction event that fit the "legal definition" and requirements for a layoff. But they did target employees for "disappearing" in small batches. What the he-l do you call those? Those are layoffs. It was a PR gimmick based on a legal definition, rather than a common definition. Makes you feel all safe, until it happens to you.

This place is simply a job. No more, no less. A job that many stay at for far too long, for either good or bad reasons. The wider world moves forward. The wider world produces products that sell, along with all the intangible skills that accompany that. The wider world doesn't operate like a charity.

If you have no other equivalent or better opportunities, than this is a great place. But if you do, you are limiting yourself here. Cut through the PR bullsh-t, cult dynamics, and simply call it what it is -- a dead end job with no equity, no development, and little chance for advancement.

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Post ID: @14p+1jr111dpf

It was around 2012 when he said that. He meant it then but things have changed a lot since then. SAS's revenue hasn't grown in many years so VRBPs and layoffs are unfortunate and unavoidable. He is generous with severance and gives employees notice properly. He did not treat them like this: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R-ct8gOXIcU

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Post ID: @13t+1jr111dpf

Those statements were not intended to manipulate. They were true when they were originally made. Sadly, SAS could not guarantee that they would always be true.

At this point, SAS wants attrition, and is actively laying off. But there’s no requirement to publicize that, and no reason why they should.

You are not being manipulated. You can see what is going on. You have all the information you need to make your own career decisions.

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Post ID: @111+1jr111dpf

"My most important assets drive out of the gate every night..."

This statement manipulates you into thinking that you are "special, protected people"; it implies a relationship that doesn't exist. Unless you are a Developer, you aren't special, and you aren't protected.

"At SAS, we've never had a layoff".

Another statement intended to manipulate you into believing that you are special, protected people. Hang in there, you have a home here forever. Right?...right?.....right?!?!?!? (Um no).

Compare and contrast these statements with those of a plantation owner telling his slaves that if they run off to another plantation, they will be worked harder and whipped more.

It's not true. Other plantations will give you more to eat, and you will learn transferrable skills, in common tools and technologies. Not skills in dead-end tools that nobody uses. You'll learn to work on things that actually sell. You'll probably do better in life, as a number of posters who "runned-off" have learned.

This is simply a job. Temporary for some, permanent for others. But due to the psychological mind-fu--ing of the organization and the worship of its leader, it's morphed into a cult -- that's why this board is so active.

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@xf+1jr111dpf

Are you going to start calling him a notsee next? That's what some people do when they try to make a point that has no factual support.

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Post ID: @zm+1jr111dpf

“ JHG wanted to make you think that you as his slaves, you'd be whipped less. It wasn't true.”

Willfully getting paid 6 figure salaries with great benefits should not EVER be compared to slavery. That is just wrong…

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Post ID: @zk+1jr111dpf

JHG wanted to make you think that you as his slaves, you'd be whipped less. It wasn't true.

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Post ID: @xf+1jr111dpf

@wh+1jr111dpf based on conversations/post on past threads of ex-SASers, the grass IS in fact greener. Not yet have I seen someone on here say they regret leaving and wished they were still working here. Most seem so much happier putting this place behind them.

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Post ID: @xb+1jr111dpf

SAS is past its heyday... I am sad about it.

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Post ID: @x1+1jr111dpf

@vn+1jr111dpf They make brand new mistakes thinking the grass is always greener on the other side

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Post ID: @wh+1jr111dpf

If what you're asking is, do the new hires stay and blindly drink the koolaid, believing things will get better? The answer is no.

They don't make the same mistake GenX did by staying here.

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Post ID: @vn+1jr111dpf

Loyalty is a two way street. Employees know layoffs have been routine for quite awhile and feel there is no end in sight. Hard to sink roots with that cloudy environment. SAS management surely must know that.

Having said that, many have the feeling that a sale or IPO is not going to happen this year. That creates an environment of patiently riding it out until something better comes along. Patience should not be mistaken for loyalty.

Good luck to all!

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Post ID: @ar+1jr111dpf

@a4 2009

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Post ID: @ap+1jr111dpf

No, it's not worth it unless you're a Developer, or in the Art Department, which is safe.

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Post ID: @af+1jr111dpf

As a younger employee, we don't stay at companies the same length or amount of time of a typical SAS employee. We tend to move on if they company is no longer aligned with our personal/professional goals. We also are seeing layoff happening all aroud us and understand loyalty does not trump our own happiness.

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Post ID: @ae+1jr111dpf

@OP+1jr111dpf
What year did you join SAS, OP?

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