Thread regarding NetApp layoffs

The Real Incentives Behind Thrive Together

There’s a lot of negative sentiment here around Thrive Together. That reaction is completely rational. Many people are trying to rationalize the decision - commercial real estate exposure, leadership being out of touch, or executives undervaluing remote productivity. Those explanations miss the point. Thrive Together is a much larger slight against employees than most people realize.

It’s easy to assume the executive team is uninformed or making poorly thought-out decisions. That assumption is wrong. These are experienced business leaders who understand exactly what they are doing. Whether internal metrics show remote work to be more productive is irrelevant. If those metrics supported the narrative being pushed, employees would see them. They don’t, and they won’t. Leadership knows the data doesn’t support the story, and they don’t need it to.

Their only real objective is increasing the stock price.

Historically, one way companies accomplish that is by reducing headcount. The problem is layoffs come with costs - severance packages and payouts of accrued PTO. Thrive Together creates a mechanism to reduce the workforce without formally conducting layoffs and without paying those costs.

Instead of layoffs, the company now has a framework where employees who cannot comply with Thrive Together requirements can simply be labeled as low performers. That label leads to performance improvement plans and eventual termination. The end result is the same as a layoff, but without severance, without PTO payouts, and without triggering the procedures that normally accompany workforce reductions.

Flexible Time Off (FTO) reinforces this system.

FTO didn’t expand a benefit - it removed one. Under a traditional PTO system, employees accrued time off that the company was obligated to honor or pay out. Under FTO, nothing accrues. Time off is technically “unlimited,” but in practice none of it is guaranteed.

FTO can function in a truly flexible remote or hybrid environment where employees aren’t bound by strict office attendance quotas. That is not the environment being created here.

Under the current policy, time taken under FTO does not reduce in-office attendance expectations. For the average employee, that creates a clear disincentive to take vacation because office quotas remain unchanged regardless of time off.

Leadership recently increased the expectation to three days per week in the office. If an employee takes a week of vacation, they still owe those three in-office days somewhere else in the fiscal year. Two weeks of vacation doubles that deficit.

If the company eventually moves to four or five in-office days per week - as many suspect it will - the system becomes mathematically unsustainable. There will be no practical way for employees to take time off while still meeting attendance expectations within a quarter. FTO with Thrive Together is structurally incompatible with meaningful time off.

What’s happening here isn’t confusion or poor planning. It’s a gradual tightening of pressure on the workforce while removing the company’s obligations that typically accompany layoffs. Even better, some employees will leave on their own to avoid the mess.

The plan was always to make you work more while creating a system that results in less time off, lower performance reviews, and a convenient excuse to fire people without severance.


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Post ID: @OP+1kk1vrtw8

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Be a frequent visitor to the executive offices and conference rooms!

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Post ID: @5nx+1kk1vrtw8

@5ne You should be sure to thrive all over door handles and surfaces in communal areas.

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Post ID: @5np+1kk1vrtw8

I've been sick the past few days yet I still have to go into the office since STO/PTO are not factored into my thrive attendance record...

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Post ID: @5ne+1kk1vrtw8

Employees who are not compliant with thrive together will be the first amongst the chosen for the layoffs coming in the next two weeks. Second criteria will be tied to amount of FTO used and if that employee has any remaining PTO hours.

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Post ID: @5j8+1kk1vrtw8

I’n sure this is probably half true, though in my experience people are not that smart and sometimes things are circumstantial.

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Post ID: @225+1kk1vrtw8

@bh Wait 'til they pay out or refuse those ICP bonuses this year to punish those who are not wasting 2 hours of their day in the car, to then PUNISH everyone next year when those bonuses plummet.

Don't be a boot li---r. It's perfectly fine for folks who liked working here to be disappointed/outright PI---D for how much the company is now abusing their employees.

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Post ID: @21h+1kk1vrtw8

@OP " If an employee takes a week of vacation, they still owe those three in-office days somewhere else in the fiscal year."

Nope - they have to fit it in THAT quarter.

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Post ID: @21g+1kk1vrtw8

Maybe a good retort to this is for employees to agree to 5 days a week in the office 8-5 local time with no work outside these hours and no work on the weekends. issue everyone desktops and collect all the laptops. I actually might sign up for that.

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Post ID: @1ve+1kk1vrtw8

There's is no point in trying to stay long term at NetApp anymore. Nor is there any incentive to do your best. Jump ship at the first chance you get. Do bare minimum before you can. They won't pay you your fair share if you do any more than that anyway. And the only thing you can count on is that they'll pull the rug out from underneath you at any time with new asinine policies so there's no such thing as long term career planning.

NetApp thinks it's a peer to Amazon and can roll out the same policies but forgets it doesn't pay anywhere near the same for people to be willing to deal with it. Once word gets out and the current employees jump ship it's doomed.

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Post ID: @1n5+1kk1vrtw8

@OP The issue with this whole thing in my opinion is that so much energy and resources are being put into this while not spending time where the whole company should be which is innovating, selling, running the business. We have a better dashboard for micromanaging (i meant tracking) people than we do for business performance. Go ask any manager to tell you what their team has spent on T&E this month vs. how many days they have been in the office and you will see it is much easier to get the answer to one vs. the other. Or go ask a sales leader to quickly tell you the activity of their team for the week and how that is trending or if it is enough to build out pipeline to support achieving or exceeding plan and hit new business targets... The focus is just totally in the wrong place here.

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Post ID: @1jq+1kk1vrtw8

@190 Long-timer at the company here - If you think the model is fair, good for you. There are many of us who think this is a construct to manage people out through attrition or through PIP. Just wait for the next round of layoffs. Those who are non-compliant with Thrive Together will be the first to go. And with performance reviews around the corner, I'm willing to bet $$$$$ on in office expectations lowering individual ratings.

OPs argument has some fallacies but the message is pure. OP claims structural oppression at the intersection of two policies that should but do not account for each other. Together it creates a system where employees take less time off, because they have more time to make up in office. What would you call a time off policy that disincentivizes using it because it would negatively impact your bonus eligibility and performance reviews?

When the requirement moves to 3-days a week, taking 1 week of vacation will require 3 additional days in office for that FY. If you take off 2 weeks, it's 6 days. When they bump it to 4, it becomes damn near impossible to make up time. This looks like punishment for using benefits to me. Unlimited time off becomes meaningless and worse than earned time.

Leadership opened pandora's box with remote work. The reasons behind Thrive Together are not effectively communicated nor are they justified.

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Post ID: @1j9+1kk1vrtw8

To address the OPs comments. Is unlimited PTO a scam, very soft no, but it does shift it from something that feels like a right to something you have to ask for. In my experience ask for it, most mangers want you to have breaks. I want my people to have breaks, they work better. I feel the big problem here is NetApp has swung from one of the most generous PTO schemes to a much less generous but, pretty much tech industry standard PTO plan. I really prefer set days, but the number of people I've interviewed, especially young people, which lets face it is where NetApp wants to go, who love it, shocks me. I'll be 30 years full time in tech next week, I've never had a plan that let me carry so many days y2y.

In regards to all of this to drive attrition, that's a very illogical theory, especially as presented by OP. His argument is founded on GK wanting to save money on severance by moving people from high productive home work to low productive office work and infuriating them so much they quit so they can save severance times people. Here's the problem you have no control over who is going to quit and you have no idea when they are going to quit. Yes, some early quitters might save GK a few shekels, but anyone who hangs on past a certain date is actually going to cost more money. Remember all of the cost of a layoff is money you were going to pay the person after a certain point anyway.

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Post ID: @190+1kk1vrtw8

I am aware that this is building in additional attrition into the 3 year plan we are working off of.

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Post ID: @17p+1kk1vrtw8

@12q There are no metrics that justify the inoffice mandates. The claim made wasn't for the non-existence of metrics. There are metrics and they are there to track how often you go in.

Those metrics will be used to decide our bonuses and futures with the company, but prove no strong causation nor correlation with positive workforce performance.

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Post ID: @15z+1kk1vrtw8

@10g my People Central goals cover almost 30 individual items. Of those, one is Thrive-specific and is about being in the office for the number of times specific to distancefrom the office. None of the others are based on being in the office, nor is their completion predicated on being in the office. Point being, no, there are no metrics at all.

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Post ID: @12q+1kk1vrtw8

@zs Such a garbage response with an imaginary story. You didn't even address any of OP points.

For some roles being in an office or lab is okay if it's required to do the job. There is yet to be any concrete metric within or outside the company proving in-office work is universally more productive than at home work. The executive class would share those metrics if they supported their narrative, but that assume they even have metrics to support their decision. George and the others will not share metrics on this until they think it supports their narrative.

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Post ID: @10g+1kk1vrtw8

I've moved on from NetApp however I'm still a NetApp partner. Recently I've been getting a surge in interest to some of my open headcount. People, you need to realize that NetApp is just moving to the structure most other IT companies have already implemented. If you go to another company they're mostly already at this model. I know this is an unpopular stance but we can tell who has gone back to the office and who is working remote just from the response time to tickets, calls, emails, and messages. One woman we all hated working with suddenly became much more effective and responsive, I later found out that was around when she was told she needed to be in the office. I see her on LinkedIn posting the anti-RTO rant daily. How she was so much more effective at home. I think people have a hard time realizing how bad they work at home. I think there are people who work fine from home, I have reports who have no idea if they're in the office or not, but with most it's painfully obvious.

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Post ID: @zs+1kk1vrtw8

Do the minimum. Don't go in.

They can't PIP everyone.

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Post ID: @xs+1kk1vrtw8

@OP you are totally spot on! But this is not it. Additionally, the leaders are now trying to keep only people with the right mindset: ar-e-lickers, yes-sayers, executers; and get rid of the old-school employees that actually have a brain and use it to keep the boat floating. This is not a sustainable model, and it will eventually collapse, slowly but surely. The psychological pressure is hard to ignore. And to @bh's point, yes, NetApp is company that gives the same advantages to mediocre and great employees. Sometimes the mediocre ones even get promoted, if they align to the 3 categories mentioned above.

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Post ID: @wz+1kk1vrtw8

@mt "Look at what they are doing to India with the updated RTO policies"

Don't worry. Everyone will be back in the office 100% full time as soon as the pinch points in the current locations are identified.

Expect 4 days starting Q2 and full time in office starting Q3. Some locations where real estate and leases were dumped (or bought out) in 2020 may have a bit of flex starting Q3. Where flex means working IST hours to train your AI operator replacements.

Using MS for your enterprise is highly risky. Sharepoint overshares with it's AI optimizations.

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Post ID: @wr+1kk1vrtw8

@bh

George,

Come get your corporate shill. What are they doing off the leash in mid March?

Shouldn't this person be making up result for the recent survey results?

Every employee out here knows the results aren't real.

PS, it looks like the new corporate yacht is coming along nicely. When is this going to be revealed to the staff? 2027 Q1 rah rah all hands 2 months into the quarter?

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Post ID: @wq+1kk1vrtw8

@b7 the point is that that is not important. Have you noticed that they really don’t care that they’re not part of the “best places to work” list? That they are benchmarking themselves against other companies rather than building their own culture? This is by design.

They are hiring SVP‘s from companies like AWS and replacing competence with arrogance. Because arrogance is used to drive people to work. Not to build people up and grow an energetic company. But to be slave, drivers and push people down into simply working.

They don’t actually want high performance measured by creativity innovation, they want performance measured in deliverables. It does not matter that the deliverables are absolutely useless, it is all about quantity. They do not want smart people. They just wantwant automatons that will crank out work. If you haven’t figured that out, and if you want to be in a company who respects your input, NetApp is not the place to be.

The odds are that NetApp will never reach $10b. The real target is maintaining a stock price. Cutting labor costs is a huge part. They just took the training wheels off to finally use any AI platform to improve code. They know good and well that AI writes better code than any other people that they could hire right now.

Look at what they are doing to India with the updated RTO policies. The rest of the world is going to have to follow that in the next fiscal year. They are building a company for short term stock price. This is not a long-term growth strategy. Stop pretending NetApp cares. We just have to do our jobs and live with it. Hopefully, the job market turns around and the brightest in the best will be able to find a new home.

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Post ID: @mt+1kk1vrtw8

It's also not anonymous. Each link is unique which means each survey is tracked.

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Post ID: @gw+1kk1vrtw8

@bh Management shill detected. How can you see to type with the boot you're licking obstructing your view?

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Post ID: @by+1kk1vrtw8

I think COVID had such a corrosive impact on society, particularly in attitudes between employers and employees. I'd hate to be running NetApp; they asked/begged/pleaded with you to turn up to work 2 days a week for years.

Where does this entitlement attitude come from? Do you know how many ICP type bonus structures I took part in before working at NetApp.... ZERO. They are an extremely generous employer and they are just trying to regain LOST control over their business.

FFS you are getting pretty good salaries, what do you think you are getting that money in return for? no I'm serious, why do NetApp shareholders owe you anything in particular? Especially to those people hired before Covid struck: grow up, ffs.

The door out is RIGHT HERE ----> [] Good luck finding an employer half as good that pays a similar bonus, with generous share schemes for the average worker.

COVID rewrote the rules, and now generative AI is doing it again, I understand the pain as I'm suffering from it too: but biting and gnashing the hands that feed you and your family is not the way forward!

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Post ID: @bh+1kk1vrtw8

What a real shithole they turned this place into

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