Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

@23d

Most of the old guys have already left. There are some left, but most of them retired during Covid. The last group will be retiring in the next couple years whether there’s an incentive or not.

Boeing has a bigger issue with not having enough experience people for all the new hires that they’ve brought in.

But Boeing is addicted to cheap labor. Anybody who leaves they will just bring in more people at the bottom of the pay skill to replace them. They don’t care if the delivery schedule is impacted. That’s just how they’ve always done business or at least since McNerney.

This is a sinking ship with failed policies that they will not get rid of. They will never stop hiring the lowest paid person they can find because that’s how they do business.

And most of these new young people you mentioned are gonna leave any ways for more money because Boeing will never really bump their pay to what it should be. They know that. That’s why they don’t care if they leave. That’s why it’s so difficult to get bumped in levels say from one to two or level 2 to 3. Boeing would just prefer you leave then give you a level bump. Managers have literally told me that they don’t think they need anything but level one and level two people and a lead.

This is not a moral or ethical company that wants to treat people right. This is a company that wants to maximize profits and pay you as little as they can. I want you to leave when they no longer can meet your salary expectations. That’s just the cold hard reality you need to get used to.

I agree they want the old, more highly paid people to retire because Boeing is and has always been about the money, at least since the merger.

Taking away WFH is not going to do that. When you look around the office, who do you see? It's not the 20 somethings and 30 somethings. It's the guys with gray hair.

All this is going to do is make the younger, cheaper folks leave and when the old guys retire, there will be no one to take their place.

But that would require leadership to think further ahead than next quarters profits. And I have never seen that.

Boeing wants the older workers to retire. That’s why they’re doing this. They think they can save a lot of money by hiring people with no experience to replace them who are paid the least. They don’t care that they’ll be late with deliveries and have hunters more tags due to these inexperienced people.

@qd
From your posts in this thread, you seem frustrated that some people do not get your point. Maybe you are not an effective communicator.

@10w+1k5sw9r8d

And by harming other people, you mean harming your employees

That's the problem with Boeing in general. They cut off their nose to spite their face.

For those who don't know what the saying means: taking a self-destructive action in order to harm another person, but ultimately hurting yourself even more.

They make decisions without the forward thinking to see the very obvious outcomes.

It's why things will never change.

Just wait until about March next year when everyone left is burnt out and they can't figure out why they are behind schedule.

Cry me a river after that get back to work in the office. That’s the problem will a lot of
Boeing people they feel entitled.

They want people to leave. They will replace them with people st the bottom of the pay scale, and then act surprised when they don’t meet the aircraft delivery targets each quarter. The less Experienced the people the slower they get things done.

@qd
Since you have been going into the office every day since 2021 and others are not able to, this puts you in a good position. With other people choosing to quit over RTO, this may help your longevity with the company. This is an opportunity to show your mettle, take on more responsibilities, and get a promotion. This is positive for you, if you choose to frame it this way.

I had to commute from L.A. to Edwards AFB to get to the office. It's 120 miles in some of the worst traffic in the USA. I did not have the option of remote work. We do what we have to do in order to do our job and pay the bills.

@qd
I am not a member of management. I just disagree with you. I am an older worker and always went into the office for work. If the boss tells me to come back to the office, I do it. When you don't get your way, you hurl insults or are snide.

@qd+1k5sw9r8d

I never heard of living more than 50 miles away from your Boeing worksite, which I do is an exception to returning to the office.

Once again, you are still failing to get it.

And

You are assuming things that you have no understanding of.

1. I never said MY exemption was not approved. I don't even qualify for an exemption. I said I have heard from a good source that people who DO qualify have still been shut down (i.e. living more than 50 miles from work)

2. I have been going into the office EVERY SINGLE DAY since 2021 when they allowed it.

3. I have watched people leave every time they push RTO, this time is different however, they have flat out told people be in by this date or you won't have a job.

That date has now slid because THIS time Boeing management is seeing the people leave. I don't know why they care this time and not the previous dozen times it happened, but here it is.

I go back to the original post, I don't know why management sees this as a total surprise. Not only has it happened before at other companies, it has happened at Boeing.

Once again, you can have people work, albeit from home 2 days a week and get work done, or they can leave because you forced them to come in and they will be there zero days a week because they quit.

Some of the people commenting here must be management because they are part of the problem

@k0
Name calling people because they don't agree with you may be one of the reasons why the company is not making an RTO exception for you. A measure of character is how you handle hearing the word no. You are not open to feedback or input from anyone but yourself. How can an individual learn and grow when they think they are always right.

@k0+1k5sw9r8d

Could it be the real reason you are upset about being told you need to return to your Boeing office is because no more p0rnhub surfing you do all day at home, while on the Boeing clock.

Ok, it seems like many of you are not understanding the post. Which, if you are Boeing employees, it tracks.

Let me try to d-mb it down.

Let people continue hybrid or remote, you actually get people who know the problems continuing to do work to solve the problems (albeit not in person)

Bring people back to the office, they resign and you have them doing ZERO work on the problems and you need to hire new people with low ball offers (who also may not want to work in the office full time) train them, teach them the 47 different systems to find Boeing information and then MAYBE in a year or so they will be productive.

tldr: something is better than nothing.

@f4
The company's main product are aircraft vehicles that occupy 3D space. The engineering needs to be fixed, part manufacturing needs to be fixed, and part installation needs to be fixed. Being present in an office/factory for 8 hours is conducive to contacting the personnel required to solve these physical issues. Instead of being upset that you can no longer work remotely, how about being grateful that you were able to work remotely for 5 years. If you do not understand the value of in-person communication and problem-solving, then there is no explaining it to you. The company is paying the salary and benefits of its workers. It should be allowed to determine reasonable terms for this compensation. Showing up in an office physically is not unreasonable.

So, how does asking people to come onsite and having them resign or retire help them fix the problems?*

• This assumes none of the people resigning or retiring are management, because that WOULD solve many of the problems.

The company needs their personnel on-site so that they can all work together and fix problems. The company is experiencing a lot of issues on various airplane programs.

@OP+1k5sw9r8d

After being told your exemption to RTO was denied, what reason did you give hoping it would be approved?