I heard that we may have reorganization on the IT side and that some groups will be merged. This will impact managers and staff as well. I am not saying BD will have layoffs in 2015 but it looks like a reorg is almost certain. If that happens, make sure you are covered, work hard, contribute and of course, pray.
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HCL is the worst possible outcome. What in the hell is BD Thinkong? Is leadership serious?
If anyone consider HCL’s offer, please be aware how it works. If you accept a job from HCL, BD will pay your severance to HCL to subsidy your first year salary….. If you quit HCL within the 12 months, HCL is very likely can keep the money, this is why BD make sure HCL will pay you back the same severance if HCL fire you within 12 months. BD also make HCL give you a bonus as incentive to make you to stay on the job for 12 months….. After the first 12 months, HCL will not have any incentive to keep you anymore. They will try their best to replace you with a H1B or someone else even cheaper in India….. Why BD and HCL have a deal like that? It is because the first key success factor for any IT outsourcing deal is having enough existing employee move to the outsourcer….. It will be your decision if you want to join HCL, just make sure you understand it will be very difficult to have more than 12 months of employment with them.
It's going to get interesting when hcl starts trickling in.
BD did not lay us off on Sept is because they want all of us to transfer to HCL, but I don’t think it will ever happen. I will interview with the HCL but I will not take a job from them. My purpose is using them to practice my interview skill and give them a surprise that I reject their offer.
Stop the stupid racist comments and focus on getting a job.
No wonder the guest workers come here and are willing to be underpaid and treated poorly. The alternative is horrible. You would think with all the money being made by the outsourcing firms, they would put some money back into improving conditions in their own country.
http://www.globalpost.com/article/6662476/2015/10/05/8-million-new-toilets-later-india-no-cleaner
http://www.globalpost.com/article/6663935/2015/10/06/india-urine-money
We should move this discussion to the main page: https://www.thelayoff.com/becton-dickinson-and
Worked with HCL back in 2009, I was on a consutling project in LA and worked with some of their folks. It was bad. Most people were just onboarded, culturally unadjusted, no car, no basic social skills, it was like working on a different planet. They were all severely underpaid for US standards, barely had any money to make ends meet. They would share the same apartment, they would cram 4 folks into a 2 bedroom. From the quality of work perspective, they were just bad, you cannot do business kind of work here (even though on the tech side) if you do not get what's going on. Coding a statement is one thing but understanding why you do it is different. The whole thing was a debacle, they got fired, and we got fired as it was a royal mess. We are talking 10 million dollars in losses plus.
Bd officially just layer off workers.
For reviews on hcl, look up mouthshut.com
Employees say they are treated like slaves.
It is disgusting and disheartening what BD has become. It once was a company that believed in the Becton values. A company that once actually cared for the employees, the employees that built and made BD what it is today. Now, we don’t even recognize it. The new executive “leadership” could not care less about the employees. Through their actions of the past few years, it is quite apparent that they do not value long time employees over 40. For all of their talk about values and ethics they need to practice what they preach.
Good luck to all those who have been invited to the meetings today. How are they going to spin this with all of the information that is out now? I will never look at the bd brand the same.
Dave Chapman
September 27, 2015 at 4:17 pm
HCL, it turns out, is the worse of the worst. Some years ago, I got a copy of the H1-B Database (LCA), and asked it which employer in California pays their H1-Bs the lowest salaries. When the computer said “HCL America”, my immediate reaction was “Who?”
It turns out that not only was HCL paying a Software Engineer in Sunnyvale $29,000 per year, they also have dozens of people who were getting less than $49,999. Even looking at the entire US dataset, I was unable to find anybody quite as egregious as HCL.
“Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Who’s the Crookedest of them All?”
“HCL”
Can HCL at least get a web site that doesn't look like a fat lazy American elementary school kid created it? Didn't we hear about a "world class" provider coming? HCL, I recommend you out-source your web dev to this guy: I Want to Draw a Cat for You (http://iwanttodrawacatforyou.com/). World class feline pictures and a snazzy dance too! Not sure of his annual revenue or references but over 19,000 cat pictures to date. I'd look for grammatical errors but I'm too fat and lazy. Color theory: http://blog.homedepot.com/color-theory-color-wheel-guide/
Richard Branson: Companies Should Put Employees First
The Virgin founder shares how making employees the top priority can bring benefits for both customers and investors. To this end, Branson says he has made sure that Virgin prioritizes employees first, customers second, and shareholders third. "It should go without saying, if the person who works at your company is 100 percent proud of the brand and you give them the tools to do a good job and they are treated well, they're going to be happy." I used to be proud of the BD brand.
http://www.inc.com/oscar-raymundo/richard-branson-companies-should-put-employees-first.html
For years, I had helped BD saved millions of dollars by refusing to give it to the vendors or contracting firms for nothing. These savings were written down on my performance reviews, but I still in-scope for the layoff. I know all these venders very well; HCL will milk BD to dead and deliver shits. BD is dreaming about cost saving and all hell will break lose when HCL start coming in.
I don't work in IT but have worked closely with many in this horrible situation. I know that a lot of people outside the IT department are watching this forum and disappointed in the outsourcing decision. There's no way we'll get the same level of service and attention that we're accustomed to. Thank you very much for all the hard work! I won't be far behind you all because a Bigger Better Bolder BD is not one that appreciates the dedicated professionals employed there.
My advice exactly. Do not sign anything until you have had time to review it with family and/or council.
WARN act is in effect people. Which is why the long delay with the out-sourcer. Law requires 60 days notice for mass layoffs involving over 100 people if I remember. So up to you if you want to "milk the company in question" for everything they got (if you are a hourly person). Next up get the severance letter in person. You may also have right to see the NDA before signing it. You have the right to review before signing anything and can't be pressured into signing it immediately either. Look over your individual situation with your family and (maybe have a lawyer review it) and go from there...
Not working in those specific areas mentioned yet told im in scope for the layoff. Must be my age and salary because it's not my position or skill level.
Whatever Richard Pierle said is just whole bunch of BS. There are many ways to achieve their goal without outsourcing. I would say start laying off the top IT management who knows nothing but burn BD’s money on outside consultants and contractors. We had seemed it in the Everest project; it cost twice as budgeted and only achieved half of the functionality. They are the true presentation of the “fat, lazy and stupid” people.
IT Team,
In September, the IT Leadership Team (ITLT) and I spoke to you about the decision to source infrastructure operational capabilities for our Americas and Asia sites. During this meeting, we committed to sharing more about the initiative once we had the final contract signed.
Today, I would like to announce that BD has signed a contract with HCL, a global leader in technology solutions for IT infrastructure operations. We want to share more about HCL and what to expect over the coming months.
HCL
HCL employs more than 100,000 individuals within 31 countries. HCL provides services to more than 250 customers, including Merck, Shire, Quest Diagnostics, AstraZeneca and Novartis within the healthcare and life sciences space and leads its peers in customer satisfaction.
During the evaluation, we conducted a thorough and exhaustive due diligence process. HCL emerged as our preferred partner as measured against our key design principles including:
Ability to build a strong relationship and trust
Demonstration of service quality and continuity
Commitment to transparency and a strong governance framework
Capability to drive simplification and consolidation into our operations
Vision for innovation
We are confident HCL will be able to support BD through effective processes and technological advancements – at a significantly lower cost than we would be able to do ourselves – giving us the opportunity to reinvest in our strategic business objectives and the ability to shift resources into greater business enablement services.
The Upcoming Months
We understand this represents a significant change for BD and are working to ensure we minimize disruption and maintain continuity during this difficult time. These changes will begin in January, 2016 and be complete at the end of March 2016.
As a reminder, in-scope is the Americas and Asia based Infrastructure Operations, specifically, PC and device support, service desk management, data center management, network management and security administration and management.
We are committed to treating each of our in-scope colleagues with respect and care.
Going Forward
The Infrastructure Sourcing Initiative is moving into the transition/implementation phase. Our goal is to maintain our service levels and partnership with the business. For each of you, we ask that you continue with business as usual.
Thank you in advance for being open to changes in how we work for the long-term benefit to the organization. This initiative is foundational to achieve our full potential as a Bigger, Better and Bolder BD.
If you have any questions, your Leadership team can assist you or you can send your thoughts to our mailbox at BD_IT_Connect@BD.com.
Thank you for your support.
Rich and the ITLT
And it is personal when you are being targeted because of age or for some other illegal reason.
I guess it's not that simple of an equation Anonymous177625, because you left out the part of not signing the NDA and joining a class action. With all the immigration debate going on, I wouldn't want to be allied with HCL and tempting litigation. I'll take the settlement money and watch a hundred year old American institution trashed in the media.
Look up the severance on the bd website. Who cares what hcl is offering. That's if they are offering anything, I wouldn't work for them anyway. Look outside, join a class action, move on.
If Anonymous177625 is right, it means BD is changing their severance policy to deal with the resentment. This is how I see what they are trying to do: 1. Frighten people for no severance if they are not signing the NDA. 2. Giving a small severance package to encourage people to transfer to HCL. Guys, I believe posting from Anonymous177625 and Anonymous177610 are written by BD management or HCL. Don’t believe a single word on what they say.
Unless Anonymous177625 has insider information, I don’t know why he knows joining HCL has only 5-10% reduction of salary and a small severance package….. Anyway, his equation is wrong. Based on the severance policy updated on 2012, you don’t need to sign anything and still can receive severance with 1 week per year of service…… So this is how I see the formula: …. Accept NDA and HCL job = Reduction on salary and have a maximum of 12 months of employment with HCL…… Reject NDA – smaller severance and need to find a new job….. Accept NDA and reject HCL – bigger severance and need to find a new job….. I am over 50, but I live in NJ, and the market still good and I am sure I still employable. It is possible I will get a pay cut, but the severance will help and I don’t have to work for a racist company and deal with he mess BD had created.
Simple equation
Accept NDA and HCL Job = Some Severance + 5-10 % reduction in salary if at all
Reject NDA - No Job, No Severance
Accept NDA - Severance and no Job. (If you are above 50 in this market..all the best)
Anonymous177610, are you part of the management team who try to tell people not to sue and flip their badge and join HCL? If you do, it means the management team is start getting frighten now. It is a good news and it means this forum is working.
It is official, HCL is the outsourcer. What surprise me is HCL cannot come in until January. You can expect nothing is being done in IT for another 2 1/2 months, this reflect poor management and bad planning. HCL is not in good terms with the media and the Feds, I guess they will try to convince BD's employee to flip their badge first before shipping their H1B/L1B to US. , so they could show the media and the Feds that they are not racists and accepting the "fat, lazy and stupid" American workers.
I think management is doing right things. This is not the question about H1B or outsourcing. BD has acquired 12.5 Billion company and management has committed for synergy targets so this was expected. Probably more is expected too. These are business decisions and should not be taken as personal. BD has pool of smart employees and all those affected are big loss to BD. We will find better positions and will move on. Make sure we are not doing something stupid to jeopardize that. Analyze what you have and decide what is good for you. Do not let these forums or BD HR influence you in way, everyone should do there own analysis. All the best!
They are good actors. I'll give them that. The lawsuits can't start soon enough!
http://insights.dice.com/2013/05/14/how-nearly-800000-h-1b-workers-came-to-work-in-the-u-s/
Lawsuits are coming. Also the public won't think too highly of BD when this news breaks.
This is Anonymous 177324, when I applied for the opening; I know the hiring VP and his managers. I was very surprise I did not get any response from HR nor the hiring managers (I personally sent them emails and fill up the application on the HR website). I also told my boss I am not happy and wants to move to other group. My boss came back and he told me he need me so much and cannot let me go. He never mentions the H1B or coming layoffs at that time. BD is so bad and snaky. They are very good on denying on all the bad things they had done. So, don’t trust anything they say and only accept things written on paper and you make sure you have a copy of it.
Anonymous 177324 was encouraged to stop going for an open position so they could give an h-1b the position. His manager should get a deposition along with others involved. Not so smart
I think we will know more on the 2nd “associate briefing” that need us to physically attend. I do not think BD will spell out the word “train the outsourcer”, they know it is illegal. They will use other wording like “good behavior”, “cooperation” and etc. Please make sure if there is anything you don’t understand, don’t sign the paper, and ask them to clarify the wordings in writing.
Has anyone been asked to train an h-1b yet?
Flood CNN with presidential debate questions regarding H-1b visa practices until they ask the candidates. I would love to see if they would ask them. You can also do it on Facebook which is great since Zuckerberg is such an advocate for unlimited cap on visas.
BD will not stop outsourcing until they found out these are bad deals and always lead to failure. Since the outsourcing firms believes Americans are “fat, lazy and stupid”, I will do exactly what they expected. I will be so dumb that I cannot train anybody, I am so lazy that I cannot get anything done, I am so stupid that I will always make mistakes.