Thread regarding Juniper Networks Inc. layoffs

Rami is no global leader. He has more problematic traits than strengths... Look at what he has done.

Everything he touched has turned to shït.

The statement is untrue when applied to either RR or his biggest-loser draft pick PPA. What exactly has RR done in since becoming CEO that supports your statement? We’ve been skidding downhill ever since then from what Ican see...

Rami is one of those very unique and high energy transformational global leaders, who is creative, charismatic, collaborative and believes that communication is the key to success. One who is passionate about understanding customers and their needs, then driving growth through innovation and value creation.

You all should be very ashamed for leveling such baseless and unsubstantiated allegations again such an individual of the highest integrity. All the best to Rami in his future endeavors.

The C-suite door keeps on turning, yet another section 16 officer booted. Invoke the Motion of no-confidence - RR. I bet the Juniper monitor has a busy few days ahead of him.

#noconfidenceRR

#MJGA

The way RR has setup juniper , a change at top will bring a domino effect and entire chain will fall and juniper will collapse . Right from the top to 3 to 4 level down you will find friends who are scratching each other back ( except PPA who is building an alternate universe of his own )

IMO change of ceo is not a practical and distant possibility

Seriously? You still don't even understand why 10 or 60? Looks like unbiased poll is too complex for you after all. lol.

"If you feel those random numbers absurd, that is right because they are meant to be felt that way, so that a person with average IQ and education can start realizing they need statistical data to justify the numbers they claim."

@X8lsa61-3evj - You were the one that only understood how the sorting works once I hit you on the head with it here@X8lsa61-3yjg. Till then you were arguing about readers clicking a thread 60 times @X8lsa61-3unl. So save the sarcasm and stop smoking whatever stuff you're on.

Well, this one feels more junior and dumber than the other Jdefender, who could do funny things like predicting a $100+ price for JNPR stock or calling Juniper a money printing machine. But at least the other guy knows how to shay away and pretend nothing happened when got slapped with data or facts. That is not quite decent but understandable if what he does is a paid job. This one is obviously a lot slower. It's been a while and this one still cannot figure out how to do an unbiased poll. If that can be qualified as a Sr. Exec, it is just sad for the company.

The person that is quibbling here over post counts/likes is obviously a Sr. Exec who's touchy and is getting really quibbly. LOL.

@X8lsa61-3yjg

Why would anyone bother remembering trivial things like # of posts in a thread they read last time? How many times you clicked top 5 threads on this forum? If you don't remember exactly, does that mean you are slow? "Active" button just reversely sorts threads by last replied time. I am surprised you haven't figure that out. It is really not that hard.

I would suggest you improve your reading skills. Then probably you will more likely understand that I was saying you should justify your guessed numbers, and that does not mean I like any particular one. If you feel those random numbers absurd, that is right because they are meant to be felt that way, so that a person with average IQ and education can start realizing they need statistical data to justify the numbers they claim. But it is obviously too fast for you, which is why I find it is not surprising that you still cannot figure out the 0.5% support refers to your post @X8lsa61-2dhu

With the different purpose and restriction of view # and vote # on this site, there is no guarantee that same person gets vote # equal or even proportional to his view #. But you want to use those numbers in a poll. With that level of IQ, you should be thankful you have a job at all. For that I am happy for you but it is a bit sad for JNPR though.

@X8lsa61-3ctp says Hint: viewers might not remember # of posts in a thread they last read.

So I am arguing with someone who does not remember the # of posts he read and repeatedly click the same thread over and over again? My bad.

Counter Hint: Sort on "Active" and if you remember when you last visited the forum, you can just read the ones that have been updated since then. Its much simpler even for you.

70 and 1400 are are real numbers and what we do with them is what we are debating here. You can wear your blinkers and pretend the numbers mean nothing. They dont, not to you. But one can make some use of those and make some educated guesses, which is what I attempted.

But given that I am arguing with someone who wondered why each reader does not click this thread 10 times, or 60 times and then does not remember whether he read a thread or not, I am wasting my time arguing with you. True, 0.5% readers supported by original post and those are the ones that decided to vote. The rest dont really care about my post or your's. Have a nice day.

@X8lsa61-3yjl

Well, it is getting a little bit harder to make it simpler. But let's see if it is still too fast for you. If you want to justify a number, you need data. Not because you say "reader clicking on this thread every 2-3 posts" then it must be true. Understand? As for why # of clicks might be more than # of posts. It is an easy homework for you. Hint: viewers might not remember # of posts in a thread they last read.

When you pull out random numbers to interpret data, the whole interpretation is garbage. It doesn't matter which direction it goes. It is not about whether making your "70" smaller will make anyone happy. As long as your "70" and "1400" are garbage, your "12%" or "5%" or whatever number you want to come up with the same logic is also garbage. Understand?

Not participating does not mean viewers are mutual to whatever topic in OP. Unbiased poll needs options to cover all cases. These are simply too basic to explain in a forum full of adults. If you don't understand, go back and read my @X8lsa61-3unl and think about why, by your logic, only 0.5% of readers support your post.

@X8lsa61-3unl, " So why is it 2 or 3, but not 10 or 60? If they are not from your random guess, let's see some data to support your claim" - because, genius, this thread hasn't had 10 or 60 posts, so assuming 2 or 3 is actually being kinder to the argument for more views/reader, i.e. reader clicking on this thread every 2-3 posts. Now do you understand why it cannot be a reader clicking this once every 10 posts? Because there weren't 10 posts!

"Also you don't find your "70 up votes" questionable? What can stop multiple votes from same person on this site?" Oh, I assume that the site would identify your IP add and not allow more than one vote per IP. Sure you can use proxies, but then if multiple votes are included in 70, that actually means not even 70 folks vote for the proposal of the OP, i.e. less than what i calculated. This argument actually works against your thesis.

People who dont vote are exactly that, not counted and it means they are indifferent. The conclusion was that a low percentage of folks vote RR out. The rest want him to continue, or are indifferent.

typo, "1800-400=400" should be "1800-1400=400" in previous posts.

Oops, I just contributed another view of this thread.

@X8lsa61-2tcd

"A more likely scenario is once per 2-3 posts". So why is it 2 or 3, but not 10 or 60? If they are not from your random guess, let's see some data to support your claim.

Also you don't find your "70 up votes" questionable? What can stop multiple votes from same person on this site?

You don't know the true numbers behind "70" and "1400". Yet you want to use them to make a point. But that is not even your biggest problem. You assume whoever didn't upvote OP supports RR. That is not how poll works. At the very minimum, you should know not to count people who don't want to participate. If this is hard to understand, see your post at @X8lsa61-2dhu. As of now the whole thread gets 1800 views, so your post has been read 1800-400=400 times, but there are just 2 up votes. Does this mean 2/400=0.5% of readers agree with you?

There are two problems here... Rami being a PLM in his past life, has lots of friends there, and looks out for them. Secondly, the PLMs at juniper are like God's, who think their sh-- doesn't stink, and expect everyone else to eat their c-ap.

The reality is, you are spot on X8lsa61-ief. PLM is the crux of the problem at Juniper. No doubt whatsoever. They are well supported by a highly incompetent marketing team that's disengaged from reality as well.

Engineering and Marketing take a lot of flak for the mess we are in. What about PLM? After all they're the ones that decide which products get built. They seem to get away with huge blunders time after time sending the company careening towards layoff after layoff. Are they not accountable at all? I wish someone does an analysis of their hits and misses and then layoff the ones scr**ing up consistently. That will prioritize the resources of the company more productively.

RR has lost credibility, respect and control. The board needs to step in and take charge.

Innovation at juniper has turned into racketeering. Rebranding products to fool Wall Street is just not right. It is not new innovation. Are we serious about renaming everything to Contrail*blah and rebranding the MX to MX-5G even without any 5G mobile technology? All this is surreal.

Since all this happened under RR's watch, he needs to be held accountable, along with his supporters and partners in crime, in plm, engineering, and marketing.

I agree with your math @X8lsa61-2tcd however IMO there’s another factor that has not been taken into consideration and that a lot of current employees are afraid to click or write anything on this site out of fear that juniper’s IT will capture their identity. None the less +70 is an indicator.

I think we're missing the forest for the trees here. The real point is not many seem to support no confidence against RR. Contrary to your claim, the OP is actually a poll.

Let's redo the math. Its unlikely that everyone ( 100 unique readers as you mentioned) views this thread 15 times for 7 posts, i.e. twice per post to check for new posts. A more likely scenario is once per 2-3 posts, so that makes it 1500/2= 750 to 1500/3= 500, so take an average of 600 unique readers which includes current and former employees, of which 70 want RR out. This is still ~ 12%.

"1400 views" means this thread got viewed 1400 times, not by 1400 different person. It could very well be just 100 people each clicked this thread multiple times. Like one click to see OP, a few more when there were new replies. Same goes for that "70 votes". This is not poll and not treated as a poll by everyone. Now I trust you can figure out what is wrong with your "5%".

As of writing this post, the thread has received about 1400 views and 70 up votes. IOW, 5% of readers believe RR does not have our confidence. This assumes of course that the readers here are either current or past employees and that's a fair assumption to make. Does that tell you something? I think despite all the challenges of external environment and having a largely ineffective team-A, RR has managed Wall street and our customers very well. My vote is for him to continue but get rid of his reports.

Even Glassdoor shows a significant year over year decline in all categories since RR took the CEO role. Culture & Values, declined. Work/Life Balance, declined. Senior Management, declined. Comp & Benefits, declined. Career Opportunities, declined.

RR and other executives have been dumping JNPR stock like crazy. The media reported an unusual amount of inside selling. Smells like p--p to me! I completely agree with the other post, the board should invoke a motion of no-confidence. SEC and auditors should look into executives expense reports, spending and stock trades.

"Juniper Networks has run into very tough competition the past couple years as names like Cisco (CSCO), Fortinet (FTNT) and Arista (ANET) have delivered terrific numbers as JNPR has faltered. Juniper, which used to be looked upon as an industry leader, is now being beat out in several categories. Palo Alto Networks (PANW) has taken over as a leader in security (Figure 1) and Cisco has been delivering in the switching, routing, and wireless networks as usual. Large companies such as Amazon Web Services have even begun replacing Juniper Networks' routers and switches with their own in-house hardware."

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4233418-juniper-set-tough-start-2019

What has RR done in 4+ years as CEO to keep Juniper competitive and innovating vs a me too and trying to catch up strategy? Do you have any other other questions @X8lsa61-ief?

• his entire leadership has been a revolving door

• took almost a year to hire a new GTM sales leader and then hired worst possible person on planet earth

• took over 9 months to hire a new HR leader

• PLM and product road map is a disaster

• the most recent engagement survey was one of the worst in the history of juniper

• moral is at an all time low

• product quality is really bad

• work-force reductions have been often and frequent

• looks the other way when members of his leadership have had inappropriate relations with employees

• can’t make a decision for the life of him

• surrounds himself by his buddies and ignores other people’s input

• strategy keeps changing

• attrition is at an all time high

• lack of diversity and inclusion

Seems like the number of votes speaks for the itself

I don't agree with you. But give some specific examples and make your case and maybe I'll see something that I hadn't before. Otherwise, I'm going to conclude that you are just a whiner talking in generalizations.