Thread regarding DeVry Inc. layoffs

@V0ECXr4-aqpv Thank you for both of your posts!!!!

@Happy Always....NO ONE said anyone was "handcuffed" or "suffering" so twirping in with your irrelevant advice is simply annoying, pointless, and self-serving!! You can't let anyone narrate what happened without jumping in with your "I know better" quotes and philosophy, as if nobody else knows how to take care of themselves? As it says in Ecclesiastes 3:7: There is "a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak." Learn it, so you can stop sounding like an arrogant id--t so anxious to spread your beliefs that you can't see when sharing is just hollow and immaterial. I have a great life post-DeVry....better than when I was there, and plenty happy!! My purpose in writing was to agree with the previous writer and let that person know that he/she was not alone in the experience described. So, your "happy talk" was totally unnecessary and unrelated.

Dear Post ID: @V0ECXr4-8esm.

Very touching facts and I am very sorry you are handcuffed.

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional"

@V0ECXr4-6xjx If it helps at all, you are not the only one with those kinds of regrets. It is the instinct of EVERY good teacher to help the students who come before us. I know we all tried our hardest to give EVERYONE a chance at learning and earning a degree so that better opportunities and a better life would be the end result. We worked hard at that mission despite the creep of greed that came upon our institution and over which we had NO control.....not to mention decisions detrimental to our students being arbitrarily put in place without consulting ANY of us as "subject matter experts"....a label only given us once they no longer allowed us to create courses with strong objectives we knew would work :-( We were saddled with their poorly written shells, edicts from "the tower", and their ignorance of student needs :-( And, SO many of us were close to the end of our careers where looking for a new job is tenuous at best. I, too, felt my integrity challenged and should have left before they booted so many of us out :-( Yet, I do not regret the MANY students I KNOW I helped, and I am happy to still be in touch with many of those from my earlier years who are now in their 40's, very successful, and raising their own children to embrace education. I am saddened by the ruinous outcome the charlatans created that could have been avoided......and, that not a one of them has a care or a conscience about any of it :-(

It is heartbreaking that this once fine institution will be a thing of the past, or at the very best, a shell of its former self in the not to distant future.

DeVry was absolutely ruined by Keller, Taylor, Hamburger and his minions.

First point - DeVry was once a 'normal' college, with many high school graduates enrolling for degrees in Electronics Tech, Engineering Tech, Computer Tech, etc., but the focus on high school was lost in lieu of the 'adult learner'. This made DeVry look like EVERY OTHER FOR PROFIT SCHOOL and, thus, a target for politicians, DOE and critics. DeVry could have easily morphed into a decent STEM school with a niche focus - which brings me to my point #2.

Keller and Taylor got greedy and had to be the first to go public. Why? To grow, grow, grow - generate more revenue and more income. Mission accomplished. Each of them became multi millionaires - Keller is worth $200M+, Taylor $50M+. Taylor continues to draw a nice salary from Adtalem as a Senior Advisor. Gimme a break. Hamburger walked away with $100M+ in compensation. Is that not just outrageous? Don't get me wrong - there was a time when I thought he was a good leader. Now we know he allowed and was probably complicit in lying about DeVry's placement statistics.

DeVry could have remained a very successful niche school for High School grads and Adult learners who are competent and at least had a chance of succeeding in rigorous curriculum. But DeVry was all about GROWTH, so practically anyone with a breath was admitted. Many failed and were saddled with 5, 10, 15 thousand dollars while they tried to make it.

This is what haunts me about my latter years at DeVry, when the focused turned from helping good students get a leg up to allowing DEM to literally push everyone who showed an interest in DeVry to a 'butt in a seat'.

I can't tell anyone one where I used to work because of the shame I feel for what happened at DeVry. I stayed at the end of my career because I was handcuffed by my position, salary and not wanting to start over somewhere else. This is my biggest regret. I allowed my personal ethics to be compromised and I am ashamed and disappointed in my self for letting it happen.

Don't be me. Move on from this scourge of a institution. Yes, you can change the name and sell (or give away) a once fine institution but you will never change the culture of the FOR PROFIT industry. At least not until they can develop a conscience.

I have been at DeVry for about 10 years now. I've seen the good and really bad decisions of DeVry.

We been pushing more online course since last july...if you haven't seen it, you be from DEM. For the

most part "freshman" level courses are being offered onsite...and the G5 hasn't been use correctly

since Nov 2017. We started off good in July and September, but then Advisors got lazy.....and now we

are here!!!

Question to the group, has anyone seen anything about Cogswell? its still unknown? We are told

everything is fine....but Cogswell and DV have no real facts of what is going on.....

What about literature, humanities, history courses--are these still taught?

V0ECXr4-3qqy ...you're making it sound like we're really a two year school masquerading as a four year school...lots of classes onsite/online for the basics...but anything beyond that....look elsewhere? No Senior Project? No Capstone courses?

You'll have a job as long as Brad Palmer says so.

The question is whether he's going to cash out the school entirely, or scale it down to profitability and rebuild.

That is all.

well have jobs....as long as Trump is in office.

So stop thinking about it

he support "for profit schools"!!!!

the fact about enrollment figures is based on:

1. onsite enrollment is increase but only for freshman level courses.

2. don't expect higher level to be offered - and please no more VA crying

3. the whole process of G5....do we all remember this plan. Well have of the advisor are not following it

4. So enrollments are high 1 session then low the next due to Advisors not following the plan as of 15 months ago.

If anyone goes to our Devry website, look at the program offering.....most of them say " onsite"? How is this possible.....well, if "1" course is offered onsite, the school can legally say "onsite program"

If you are breathing you are in. Period.

Enrollment is up, but quality is down. Students who should not be enrolled are enrolled and professors are punished if they don't pass them.

Can any real teaching or learning occur online? Or is it just find an answer, plunk it in, talk off task in discussion forums with no care about what or how content is posted; is it just locate/report a process, press a series of buttons? Is there anything like innovation, discovery, or knowledge creation possible online?

Online was never a problem. Intro classes sometimes 40+

V0ECXr4-1xah ...I was told it was on site

is enrollment increasing onsite or online?

it enrollment continues......we have nothing to fear, unless the Trump get booted out. then start looking for a new job, we are under the Trump wing for the next 3 years!!!

Lol

enrollments are up, so I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon