Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

Place is horrible if you’re a expat you get all the c-ap work everyday and weekend. You’re just a high dollar slave. But at least you can.leave when you want. Hopefully you have enough money.when you do. At least that’s how it is in Rotor Wing Aviation group. All the management group are habitual liars and id--ts.. Scares to think they actually have something to do with aircraft.........SCARY.

Saudis can get fired if they are discovered to have “ties” to deviant groups. It is really hard to fire a Saudi and they have a lot of government protections so even something like a serious chemical dependency would be a challenge. I have yet to see one at risk for poor job performance. They just get moved around to where they are noticed the least. I know a few Saudis who have started getting M’s but it is for seriously bad performance and someone has to get them because of forced ranking and fewer expats to assign them to.

The days of opportunity exist on the tongues of ASC recruiters

Ha i remember tracking down all the CRM clickers during exit. Half of them had their office numbers rolled over to cells and you could hear family/kids in the background when they answered to let me know someone (non-saudi EVeRY time) would call back and take care of it. Saudis don’t even bother to be in the office.

I think that after several years over there I’m pretty well informed. What you are saying is BS. It is next to impossible to fire a saudi and in my case it was impossible to give a saudi, even an absolutely worthless one, anything less than E. Stick this lie where we’ve jammed all the others. You must like that since you keep coming back.

If you knew anything about Saudi Aramco, or at least were better informed you would know that Saudis do get D's and do get fired for various things. Your assertion is pure ignorance based on bitterness created by your entitlement attitude.

WOW! Sense of entitlement? Oh look at me. I can’t get fired for coming in late every day. I can’t get fired for doing jack all the entire day, or what little of it I actually spend in my office. I am a Saudi. I am guaranteed a job for life! Talk about entitlement. That is just too funny

There is definitely no career opportunities for expats. Your a cog in the machine. And sometimes your a turd in the punchbowl. Especially if you happen to contradict or point out the mistakes of the local population.

The days of opportunity still exist for those willing to make an effort and work hard. Of course, those days will never exist for those with a sense of entitlement.

Yes many. And we thank you. But those days don’t exist anymore and they never will again so if you are looking for a career, look elsewhere.

A lot of sensible, reliable, skilled expats have done with well with Saudi Aramco and live happily in retirement with the best performing 401k in the USA. They contributed and got well rewarded.

They are attracting people with stacks of dollars, and lot of sweet falking, which is one of characteristics of Arabs, sweet talking and bunch of lies.If you are so naive to believe to liars, please do, come here, and f***-up yourself and your families pretty nice.

😂😂 well put! 👍🏻

They want to live somewhere else but as soon as they land and dry off they want to set up another islamic shthole. It's not working LOL

They dont want or like expats and yet every Arab I have known wants to live in my country!

And let's not forget the fire at Radium in 2015 in which expat employees and the families actually DIED! If you want to know what attitude the company takes towards expats just google Radium Aramco. We are most certainly NOT on the same team.

Considering a job here? It’s a glorified contract assignment and they have NO intention of meeting retirement promises or anything else they tell you when they hire you to prop up whatever failing supervisor needs your short term services. Say yes at your own risk. We warned you.

I am an expat, it is clear that Saudis do not want or like expats - I see and hear it everyday. The only reason you are still employed is because your services are needed. The moment it is not, you are out the door pal. The sooner you realize it the better. So being on the same team and all that is bunch of $&&@(/:. I think it would be accurate to say Saudi Aramco has the worst , unfriendliest, unfair and prejudiced working environment ( that is for an expat) of all the companies and places I have worked at. If only I had known... which of course they don't tell you while recruiting, I would have never come out here. Now I can’t wait to leave... because it is not healthy. Of course what beats me why do they extend job offers to expat work force if they despise them so much is beyond the question. 20 years ago, maybe this place in its golden age was better......

I knew we weren’t on the same team anymore when the CEO visited the site during Ramadan this year and the non-Saudis were excluded from the site meeting.

This is getting worse and worse and doubling down with real details hasn't even started.

Yes now they’re scrambling to not pay benefits at all. Dump their employees, wash their hands. Just like the rest of the saudis who run the rest of the businesses there.

LOL seen a pension calculation lately? One formula to 2009, another to 2011, a third after 2011. Hired after 2013? New formula. 2015? 5 extra years to make full retirement eligilability. What Saudi Aramco promises in an offer looks Nothing like they actually deliver when they’re done changing the terms while you’re working. They’re shady and underhanded. Whole dam country is like that. They just dump employees from their payrolls, report them escaped, and let the embassies sort it out. Defend them if you want. I won’t and I won’t accept the foul odor of your defense in here.

Well - there were the 2001 layoffs between the Great GOSI robbery and today. Lot of old information floating around on that. Was that PMT too?

The GOSI was taken from all non-Saudis. It was also a “windfall” taken ‘by decree’.

No GOSI to take, remove the milestone. No difference to me. Wrong place to take up for these people. Move on. Dude.

In other un-stunning news:

https://tradingeconomics.com/saudi-arabia/foreign-direct-investment

Net foreign investment has rocketed to an all time low. Great work over there 👍

Dude you are talking about the GOSI and that is a totally different issue. They did not deliberately lay people off to avoid paying GOSI. They just didn’t pay the GOSI when people left even though they were entitled to it. So yes you are exaggerating. What I am saying is tgat now they are targeting expats who, in a few months, are going to collect a windfall and surplus them before they hit that milestone. The GOSI lawsuit is a totally different animal. The GOSI for expats hasn’t existed in decades.

It isn't true?

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20030903005489/en/Henrichsen-Siegel-Announces-Class-Action-Lawsuit-Kingdom

This one went to the Supreme Court. Saudis ripping off non-saudis is the national sport - when they're not getting back reamed by the bottom ranked team in the world cup. So Take a Seat. Nobody's exaggerating here. The first really big intake of a large group of western expats after this was '08-09 and they have either or are in the process of taking them out now.

My team doesn't lose 5-0 with the whole world watching. We're definitely not on the same team anymore.

I am an expat and I cried foul to the post. I am as unhappy and worried about what is going on as anyone else. But a poster said that Aramco has a history of waiting until expats are near a milestone and then surplus them before they can reach it and does this in cycles. That isn’t true. In my experience, Aramco has never done that until now. In my opinion they are very much doing it this time. If you have a lot of kids on EAP, you are a target. If you are near vesting, you are a target. They know exactly what each expat costs and factor that into the decision. I work with people who were surplussed from other companies (Shell, BP) who targeted employees near vesting so this is not unique to Aramco. I am not trying to defend Aramco. On the contrary. But it is helpful to all of us if we all stick to what is true so we can better understand what is going on and how we might be affected. I did use the term cull the herd. Not as an offence. But it is not far off as we are now being treated like cattle. We are just numbers in a spreadsheet.

Foul: When you package the BS while culling the herd then drop in and randomly dump it.

At least he admits it. In typical Aramco-speak of course. The rest of us call it layoffs.

“M” = Manipulate the PMP to Cull the Herd

Call it what you want to LOL

I have been here through several downturns and, with the exception of PMT, I have not seen significant layoffs. PMT layoffs occurred due to project deferments. The handful of people outside of PMT were people that generally never should have gotten past probation to begin but back in those nobody was ever released during probation. So I call foul on that last post. Until now, Aramco has always been a stable place to work. Plan 2030 is the difference. Expats are now a liability because they don’t fit within the plan. Do they manipulate the PMP to cull the herd? No doubt. Do they eliminate the ones they don’t like? Every company does.

They do. Silly rabbit. We were never on the same team with these people. They do this every few years to clear end of service benefit accruals then start over nodding and smiling at the new batch. Sux to be the ones in the machine when they hit the spin cycle but that’s life.

The first word in IPO begins with I. There is no I in team.

Agree. He’s absolutely correct.

The upper management have literally sent morale into the dumpster in just two short years.

We’ve been told that the 4CB’s are monitored, and they send representatives along with all auditing teams, so I don’t think anyone is really coming away with how bad the reality is there.

Sometimes I think it’s by design...