Thread regarding DeVry Inc. layoffs

Students are NOT Customers to Faculty...Why I Quit Duh-Vry

I was dissatisfied for years before I quit, and there were many reasons that I did end up quitting DV faculty. Some of the lesser reasons included increased medical benefit costs, poor raises and lack of faculty development money, not to mention endless reorgs and layoffs creating constant anxiety. But looking back on it, the number one thing is this: when you treat students like customers, academic integrity is compromised. Plain and simple.

What's that, you say? That message was only for Admissions, Advisors, etc.? Not true. It always got passed to faculty, albeit with caveats. And it created a culture where students thought that they were in charge of their grades and submissions, and to abuse faculty on course evals. Admins treated the course eval numbers like gold, not understanding that having students rate faculty is like asking the inmates to rate the asylum. To assume that a student knows how to adequately assess faculty performance is absurd, and to insist on super-high ratings drives faculty performance toward things that students want: easy assignments, lax deadlines, and instant grading. They want a quick checklist of "A"s and will ask for you to be fired on the evals if they don't get what they want. To be fair, students were promised onsite courses and then largely driven online, so it's understandable that they were already upset with the whole process.

Minimal selectivity and accelerated formats created an environment where non-traditional students had opportunities, but were unable to compete effectively at college-level work. Instead of changing the 8-week format, the faculty expectations were changed to match the needs of students. Back when we had 15 weeks onsite courses, I could do miracles in the classroom with unprepared folks. It's much less effective when you have 8 weeks of web conference lectures instead. I had enough. I have a freakin' doctorate, folks. I should honestly be working as a high-paid business consultant but instead gave my life over to educatin' DV students. No more. I had enough. DV students don't respect teachers, who are expected to be tutors (awkward for all parties involved, at best). DV admins don't respect teachers, who are replaceable, like cattle, with low paid adjuncts who get an even shorter end of the same short stick. Adjunct pay dropped quite a bit while I was there, and for the record, some of the best adjuncts quit because of that and the excessive time demands. Full-time faculty were left to wander the almost-empty buildings, like ghost towns, waiting for the few onsite classes that were left. And when the tumbleweeds did clear past the computer lab, the few remaining onsite students met the faculty warily, like old West adversaries--one emboldened by the knowledge that faculty were their servants, because the CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT, and they needed that 'A', gosh darn it, for non-academic reasons....and the other, bitter and jaded by a collapsing system, ready to quit, tired of assigning "points for completion", wary of getting slammed on evals. It's why I got on my horse and rode away from this stinkin' Western folks. It's not a battle worth fighting--here. No one would remember the victory or defeat at the faculty/student showdown of the DV Corral. The sun is setting, the wind is blowing off the plains, and there are grander adventures ahead.

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DeVry is not a school, it is a for-profit publicly held corporation dedicated to share price management. The service quality is not only low, it is negative and fraudulent. They do not provide online education, there is only website maintenance where "instructors" are encouraged to assign points for completion. During the last two years that I taught for the company I did not read a single paper or any of the exam questions, and if there was an entry or a document submitted I gave them full credit. Even with this approach 1/3 - 1/2 of each class managed to get a C or fail the class. Tell me how this is possible if the student-customers had the skills necessary to succeed at a college level.

As a result of the software systems design and management, 95% of those individuals holding a DeVry degree are functionally illiterate and cannot apply math concepts in any way. Student customers do not gain any meaningful knowledge or skills due to poor class design and pressure from management to pass people through. The company is exploiting the ignorance of the American masses as to what education is really about, and is engaged in cheating people out of their money on a massive scale.

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Post ID: @2btv+TY5P9eZ

Dear INVN:

Although it is true that evals are everywhere, they are not viewed in quite the way DeVry does. Additionally, DeVry's instrument is particularly poorly designed. Finally, that evals are ubiquitous does not make them right, legitimate, or accurate to professors' abilities and professionalism. In the school I currently teach at, evals are collected but only accusations regarding professors timeliness, presence, and fairness are followed up on. DeVry, on the other hand, uses them for many matters, e.g., whether a professor serves on particular committees, receives merit increases, or continued employment. Students use them as pay back at DeVry. So, if there was a good instrument, and wisdom in contextual interpretation of evals, I wouldn't mind them. In my case, I achieved a range of averages--3.4-4.0, often with the heavier weight at the upper end; but there were classes for which no matter what I did, students were not going to be positive. That's in the nature of trying to teach literature and humanities online...so, many flaws in the use of student evals.

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Post ID: @1anc+TY5P9eZ

Almost all schools whether public, private, or for profit have students rate their professors by having students do an evaluation survey. Every single class i have ever had in higher ed I was asked to take a survey on the professors performance, knowledge, delivery, classwork assignments, etc. DeFraud is not alone in this and its not going to stop. The rest i agree with.

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Post ID: @1nvn+TY5P9eZ

At our for profit (not Devry)..I was in the Financial aid /finance area and noticed a HUGE wall of file cabinets. I asked why they had so many cabinets & the person showed me those were full of files of students who were in all default over the years. It seemed more were in default than paying! A drainhole of tax money.

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Post ID: @uei+TY5P9eZ

Camden likes it in the p--per.

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Post ID: @csw+TY5P9eZ

Well said.

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Post ID: @rkj+TY5P9eZ

More applause for you, Last Cowboy! You described SO well what the organization morphed into as poorer and poorer management were put in place to ruin what was once a good place of learning, even though the constant bipolar question of, "Are we a school or a sales organization?" was ever-present.....faculty ALWAYS chafed at that, but good Deans initially kept our necks more free of the deep rub in our earlier years.

And, @TY5P9eZ-jxk.....thanks for adding to the description of the shipwreck so many of us endured for too long.

So, here's to those "grander adventurers"....may all find fairer winds and good sailing, whether you chose to disembark for a sunnier location or were thrown out into the dark sea of early retirement! Cheers for the life after :-)

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Post ID: @czj+TY5P9eZ

The best approach is to view students as the raw material that faculty mold into a highly-qualified, educated potential employee (a product) that job recruiters (customers) can hire and be satisfied with. But, tell that to a manager now and see how it goes over. Sadly, it used to be that way.

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Post ID: @ztc+TY5P9eZ

Dear Last Cowboy,

Cheers, mate! You expressed my experiences with absolute fidelity. I would only add that the middle managers--the hatchet-wo/men "Just carrying out zer orders" deserve special penance.

Like you, last cowboy, I left of my own volition. But, middle managers played a huge role in my decision. It wasn't enough that I taught excessively large online courses to folks disinterested in education or knowledge--the latter expecting a credential for fee as they were all too busy with jobs, kids, and life's many afflictions. It wasn't enough that I served on everything, published articles, held a Ph.D., presented at 1 or more conferences annually, and logged in 60-70 hours per week, 7 days per week. It wasn't enough that I commuted twice a week to a distant campus (actually in another state) to teach a few students. I was expected to commute 5 hours (2.5 hours each way) to a campus over 30 miles from me in the session to follow for literally 3 students. And, ironically, I lived down the road from a campus in my state!

Sensible decisions were never considered. I was asked to inform management if I "couldn't meet my obligations"--in other words, I was to do what I was told, go where I was told, and shut up. And, despite merit and the illegitimacy of student evaluations, these would have been invoked should they need to "right-size."

Good students and excellent faculty were mingled with predatory students and jaded, cynical, do-nothing faculty. There was no uniform standard of performance--far from it. And, pity the poor students and faculty who held to a noble intention--a belief in education unsuited to this modern age of shoddy ethics, shoddy workmanship, shoddy everything.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience!

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