A good many of the folks who were forced into early retirement have been with the company for many years and in some cases decades. Which is good, however, in my time there I've found that a lot of the old timers tend to hold onto antiquated thoughts, patterns, and ideas. So when they are asked to be innovative they are naysayers and very negative, this has been a culture problem for a long long time. Now it's time to clean up the culture and modernize the workforce. The human impact is unfortunate but when you have the people working for you holding your company back what can you do? On top of that, there are a great many people working in entry-level jobs making over 80k a year, that's absurd. I know people are going to jump all over this but just because you've done something for 30 years doesn't mean you can do it better than someone who is willing to change out the old wooden spoked wagon wheels for tires.
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A newly trained payroll (millenial) associate had the nerve to ask, OUT LOUD, "What's the difference between Gross and Net pay?" I admit, I was like a deer in headlights, until I realized, "THIS is the innovation ADP wants. And, ADP gets what it wants". Who am I to disregard their geniusness? It's no longer about "working" knowledge, or ANY knowledge for that matter. Learning to bow out gracefully, and just watch from the stands. Now, where did I put my bucket of popcorn? 😊
To: Post ID: @TU3eryg-3nmt. Learn how to spell Millennial if you expect to have any credibility in a thread.
ADP is a company older than most of the employees working there. The technology being used to run payrolls is the very same mainframe that have been running payrolls for decades. The fact is that many workers are required to learn old technology to support EVERY payroll client. Many of the individuals who were given a retirement package have spent years with this very mainframe and know how it works. So, if you have been hearing 'older' workers stating that new technology may not work well, it might be a good idea to listen because there is a REASON for the answer and not just 'because we've always done it that way.'
Frankly, I prefer to work with experienced people in many aspects of my life including my doctors, my pharmacist, and just about any company or individual to whom I pay for services. I might be hesitant to a 20-year old who gives me a quote for a new roof on my house or wants to work on my heating/cooling system. So, why should I trust a Millennial to run a client's payroll without the added experience of the individuals who actually know how to do it correctly?
ADP has and will continue to lose clients simply because they are forcing out the knowledge required to retain them in an effort to continue profits while attaining new ones. The executive management could have benefited greatly by reducing the number of managers who do not contribute to the bottom line. Oh, and there are MANY.
How can a company have client loyalty when the do not have employee loyalty? ADP will not be able to sustain the advantages they have had in the past by continuing this behavior. The only people who will profit are the ones who own stock which was removed from employees' 401(k) plan a few years ago.
More layoffs are coming and no one is safe. For those of you who are (still) employed, get your resume together and save all of the $ you can.
Amen brother! The millennialist I have seen all were just horrible. And that is being nice. I find it funny how folks start off with commenting on folks who were laid off / forced into early retirement is because they were higher compensated and they were older. Sounds like flat out discrimination to me.
Those two hard working, talented millennials you worked with are no longer at ADP, so your argument is not remotely valid. The truth is millennials are in fact one of the most entitled spoon fed lazy generation in history. That is not ADP specific. Just turn on the news or read the papers any day of the week. Truth is they are generally not equipped or able to be effective in the real world and most corporations don't know how to deal with that lazy spoiled generation so they are throwing out all common sense trying to cater to them because they do know at some point that workforce will have to carry the companies through a few decades and it's not looking like the babies are growing up! And that is the truth.
Now about the strategy... Would you toss out your experienced surgeon or financial planner to replace them with completely inexperienced unproven ones with no knowledge or understanding or desire to address your heart surgery or your entire life savings? Of course you would'nt! This is a.pure money grab by a few at the top at the expense of the entire workforce. They are not concerned with either the health or financial future of ADP in the long term, they are just executing on a short term plan to set themselves up for the best cash out they can get and to hell with wake of destruction in their path!
There is nothing statistically valid on a site like this. Way too few people viewing and posting in a company the size of ADP. Are there layoffs, of course. Do they have a strategy they are executing against that is moving to centralized locations with one of the goals being to reduce labor costs, of course. They've put that out there in front of the Analysts so it's not a hidden strategy. Will it all work? Most on here have no idea really, and are pushing a narrative that is focused on either their particular situation, or are just having fun bashing ADP. Fact is, almost no one statistically is looking at this site and those that are don't have a clear picture of the overall strategy ADP is employing, but since they lost their job, the natural inclination is to think ADP can't survive without them and others that lost their jobs.
I thought that this site was about ADP layoffs not a Millenial bash site. It is unwise to cast an entire generation in a negative light. I have worked with some amazing Milennials. Good, hardworking Milennials.
Millennials are just whining spoiled brats that can't do anything that requires effort or attention. It's a fact! Hey, you, douchebag, put your phone down a minute and pay attention. I'm talking to you. Oh, asking your mom what time dinner is and when you need to be home?
"There's a lot less factual information floating around here and now just a lot of bitter tripe and airing of half-facts."
Actually, there is plenty of factual information on this website. Most of the posts agree that there are massive layoffs going on and that the reason for them is to just save money for ADP, and not to retool or acquire innovative workers. Statistically, the large number of posts saying this means that there is a high probability that this is correct.
And why are you so worried about this "bitter tripe" and "half-facts"? If this "tripe" is not true, then you have nothing to worry about.
hmmmmm....is it one troll or many that are screaming for attention by hijacking the op?
everyone who says ADP is going down in flames because the tech is too old or too complex is the reason you are out of a job. There's a lot less factual information floating around here and now just a lot of bitter tripe and airing of half-facts. Now I just come here for amusement because it's not even informative anymore.
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Becoming a more innovative company by hiring cheap workers? Come on! This "initiative" is to save money, not innovate! LOL!
I'm sorry but the Original Poster is not making any sense. To work at ADP, associates have to be innovative, keep constantly learning, have out-of-the-box thinking, and be hardworking. If not, then those associates don't survive being at ADP for very long and leave or are fired.
The learning curve for most systems at ADP is very steep, requiring years to master. Innovation comes from deep knowledge and experience. Real innovation cannot come from the new cheap workers who are now being hired to replace the experienced ones. It is the experienced workers with 10, 20, and 30 years at ADP who are in the best position to inspire innovation due to their knowledge and expertise, not the cheap employees who dont know what they are doing and have no incentive to learn the complicated systems due to the unusually low pay. If management was interested in innovation, then it would value experienced employees, hire new employees at decent wages inspiring them to learn, and then management would lead the charge to innovation, instead of sitting back, getting rid of experienced personnel, and hiring inexperienced people for low wages.
What really should have been done is to eliminate the top management who has shown that they are the ones who are not skilled at innovation by the unbelievable mistakes that they made in cutting their knowledge base rather than leading their experienced employees on an innovation journey to insure ADPs survival and prosperity.
Nonsense....I was in the mainframe Systems/Utilty department for going on 32 years who took the ER for 6/1. My department had ALL long time ADP associates who were the most forward looking and thinking people in the business... We did NOT hold the company back.....upper management did.
We were always the FIRST to beta any IBM , CA, or any OEM products in the country! Just ask any IBM'er how ADP was always in the forefront of hardware/ software environments. It took us record time to go from DOS to ZOS/VSE in 32 centers. IBM was amazed on how well it went. They said to me and others that they never had a major conversion go as smooth in less time.
YEAR 2000 went off without a hitch.....not even 1 problem in any software/hardware areas.
ADP had the BEST forward thinking technical people in the business.....now we are almost all gone and by March 1st all will be gone.
WE NEVER HELD ADP BACK.......NEVER!
I HAVE ANOTHER JOB & I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT I AM NOT OVERWORKED OR IN CONSTANT FEAR OF BEING LET GO AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID.
I would like to add my opinion to this thread. I am not here to troll or to drink the kool aid. I agree with both sides of this argument.
I am one of the fortunate people that was offered the ERP. Truth be told it felt like more of a “you take this now, or you will be let go with nothing”. I took it.
That being said, the original poster has a point. I certainly can say, I am one of the belief that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. This is not something isolated to ADP. This goes on in all companies. While innovation and new ideas are the way to stay fresh, there is also something to be said about the wisdom of the tenured associate. I don’t think of those people as negative or naysayers. I look at them as experienced. They bring their history/knowledge to the table and are very apt to see the flaw in the plan before others. Why, do you ask? Because they have probably already explored the option and proven that it is not a good solution.
For all the remaining employees, once the dust settles, I really hope that there is something in the works that can solve for losing the tenured associates with their knowledge.
I'd just hire a therapist and look for another job if I had the anger you had towards any company or job. This is a public site and anyone with whatever they'd like to say is welcome. Someone has to speak some sense on here, and not many are.
Right, because all those innovative ideas will really help when you have stopped payrolls and need someone with years of experience to get it going again.
THIS SITE IS A FORUM REGARDING BEING LAYED OFF - TAKE YOUR ADP CHEERLEADING ASSES SOMEWHERE ELSE THE BOTH OF YOU - OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NOT BEEN KICKED TO THE CURVE BY THIS COMPANY OR BEEN GIVEN THE TASK TO FILL NUMEROUS EMPLOYEES SHOES WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN LET GO WHILE YOU WERE HANGING ON BY A THREAD TO YOUR OWN JOB BECAUSE YOUR REPLACEMENT WAS ALREADY AT ONE OF THE SUPER CENTERS. FIND A PRAISE ADP SITE & GO THERE AND STAY OFF OF THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUITED FOR YOU.
You will be treated like a troll for posting this, but truer words are hard to find on this site.