Thread regarding ADP layoffs

Sorry, but this is statistically accurate. And I don't account for most of the posts. No way.

Why are you so concerned about me posting here? If the information that I am presenting is inaccurate as you have said, then you have nothing to worry about. Besides, current employees (sorry, associates) are going to judge ADP on how they are treated at work, how they are trained, the compensation package, and other more important criteria than whatever may be written by whomever on this thelayoff site. If most of the posts here written by many people with my point of view are inaccurate, then current employees will note the discrepancy of what we are writing and what they are experiencing at work and will pay no attention to this site. Thus, this problem is self-correcting. If however, the majority of the posts here are accurate... well then I think you see the picture.

I don't think a handful of posts on this site in a company of 56k ee's in anything like statistically accurate, and from what I've seen, looks like you are spending a lot of time and probably account for half of the posts here. Give it a break and enjoy your retirement. You are done with ADP and ADP is done with you.

Oh, I know what is going on now at ADP. I have plenty of contacts within the company and on the outside. In addition, just read the posts here. The vast majority of posts provide the same information. Statistically, this indicates a high probability of truth.

Wishing that the information posted here would not be true does not make it untrue.

I think if you were laid off in 2016 you probably don't know what's really going on now.

To the former associate and option holder (2nd reply):

"Looking through a narrow lens of the impact to you personally"?

Obviously you didn't read my post carefully. I said that there is nothing wrong with wanting to cut labor costs. The fact that a company wants to cut its labor costs by throwing out workers and replacing them with others is not a problem. Business is business. Companies have to deal with labor as they wish to improve their bottom line. Throwing out workers by ADP or any other company is not illegal or even unethical.

My argument was about a stupid decision on ADP s management team which hurt the company very badly as I had described in my previous post. Again, the fact that people were terminated and replaced is not a problem in itself. Again, companies terminating employees is fine. Please reread my post to see where the problem lies. By the way, I have no ill will toward ADP. I was laid off in 2016 but then retired. I am able to recreate my entire high ADP salary through a combination of Social Security payments and income via investments. So no problem there. Please do not make assumptions about people you don't know.

"To say 100% of long term associates are going to be displaced kills your credibility... no where near that number took early retirement. I think that it is closer to 50%..."?

I wasn't talking about only the Early Retirement folks but about EVERYONE who has been laid off SINCE 2011 and those who are slated to be laid off. I think that your credibility is in jeopardy not mine.

"ADP needs to fix their products"?

Of course they do. And in order to do that they gut their payroll/personnel expertise and hire low cost newbies who don't know much about payroll, and what, they are going to use them to create these new products? Come on give me a break. Your argument doesn't make any sense!!!

"At least be honest with people reading this"?

Most posts here are honest. Are yours?

"If you don't know the facts, just say that"?

But most people posting here do know the facts. Apparently you don't and are trying to discredit anyone that posts anything here against ADP that you don't like.

"Please stop with the fear mongering"?

We are not trying to scare anyone here. We are just telling it as it is. ADP management made some critical, perhaps fatal mistakes and is going to pay for those mistakes. If you really believe what you say then you have nothing to worry about. You and your precious ADP will be just fine.

From the former Associate: Too many of you, or perhaps its the same person who responds to all of these posts, are looking at this through a narrow lens of the impact to you personally. ADP needs to fix their products, not protect a bunch of associates who are paid extremely well to support those crappy products. The fix is in building great products that don't need all of this support. Will they fix the products in time after gutting the support structure? Time will tell, but the fact is that ADP was fat with excess cost due to crappy products that needed too much support to keep them going and clients happy. And, to say 100% of long term associates are going to be displaced kills your credibility... no where near that number even took early retirement. I think it's closer to 50%, and that's just the over 55 crowd. Please stop with the fear mongering. Get out if you think you are going to be let go, or wait for the severance, but at least be honest with people reading this. And if you don't know the facts, just say that, and that's really what you should say based on your posts.

As an ADP 'high paid' reject (31 years of service) and major stock holder (30 years of accumulation of shares) this is the WORST thing a company can do. Wait 2,3 years when ADP clients leave in droves

and the business world sees what has happened. Stupid ruthless ADP management has cutoff it's head and the body will die soon after......this is not what a stock holder wants be any means.The best companies make a profit by having an experienced workforce who produce results.....I see what ADP is hiring, I was there for 31 years......ADP is going down FAST. The new employees are not qualified and leave in a few months.Few associates could train them and now nearly 100% of the long term associates took the ER package and will be gone....nobody can possibly train them. They get frustrated and leave within a few months and I have seen it happen over and over again at the Roseland Corp campus. No way can a Fortune 500 company survive like that.....no way!

Company and stock are not going to survive......just give it time.

To the former associate and current option holder:

"Some associates are being displaced"?

Close to 100% of associates are being displaced. They are making too much money and have to be displaced to make room for low wage workers. Now there is nothing wrong in wanting to cut labor costs. If the jobs were intellectually easy such as flipping burgers or being a bus boy (sorry busperson), then it would make sense to throw higher wage workers out and replace them with low wage workers.

However, most ADP jobs are very intellectually demanding. In addition, it takes years for a new employee at ADP to become truly productive. Throwing out experienced workers with years of expertise and replacing them with cheap newbies does not make sense. Intellectual capital is being lost which weakens the company. Is that what the stockholders are demanding? Intellectual weakness? Somehow I don't think so.

In addition, the new low cost employees trying and failing at their new ADP jobs have less and less experienced employees to go to for help since the experienced ones are being thrown out. Also, the low cost employees don't have any incentive to learn the ADP systems and do well since their wages are so low compared to the demands placed on them. It is far easier to give up and go earn a comparable wage (or even greater) at another employer where the work is far easier. I held out working for ADP for 28 years, but I was paid well to do that complicated work. If I would have been paid 33% of what I was paid there I would have left for greener pastures. There would have been no incentive to do well or even stay. Most new employees that ADP hires don't stick around long anymore because of it. Is that what stockholders are demanding? An ADP workforce that does not know what it is doing? That does not know how to service ADP s clients? That is enraging clients by their inability to properly service them? Somehow I don't think so.

Carlos Rodriguez and his top management team blundered when they decided to get rid of their "overpaid" employees and replace them with people whose wages are so low for the type of work that they are expected to do that they have no incentive to do well or even stay. Apparently the management team did not know that it takes years for new employees to become productive. So because of this, they saved a lot of money on labor costs short term, but are going to lose money in the long run as well as ADP s credibility. Is that what stockholders are demanding? That ADP should lose money in the long run by having to keep training new employees all the time that keep quitting and quitting and not being able to do the jobs that they were hired for, enraging clients and damaging client retention rates and ADP s credibility? Somehow I don't think so.

"Look at the stock price"?

Short term gains because of labor cost savings, but not sustainable in the long run with workers who cannot do the job, enraged clients, lowered satisfaction and credibility. Is that what stockholders are demanding? Not in the long run.

As a former associate, and current option holder, I think the company is doing exactly what stockholders want. Look at the stock price. Listen to the latest earnings call. Some good insight into client satisfaction increasing, client retention going up, sales growing etc... Just because some associates are being displaced doesn't mean what they are doing isn't turning out well for them in the eyes of those that own the company, and ultimately determine who will run it.

Close to 100% of experienced employees are being let go no matter what anyone else may say. The experienced associates are simply making too much money in top management's view. The new employees that are being hired in are making about a third of what the eliminated/soon to be eliminated workers were.

Having experienced workers with years at ADP making good money side by side with new workers making bottom dollar doing the same jobs is just untenable.

Stockholders demand that a company be successful, not mindlessly make cuts in experienced personnel, destroying ADP s knowledge base. Such cuts are destroying the company and not pleasing stockholders.

Stockholders demand proper stewardship in a company where the top leadership can steer the company around potential problems and toward success, not by making irresponsible cuts of experienced staff in ill-fated employee replacement schemes.

He makes millions of dollars a year.......he destroyed thousands of loyal long term associates careers, lives, future family plans, etc. etc.....so take a guess what kind of a leader this %+# person is!

No where near 100% of tenured associates are being eliminated. Ackman's plan was much more aggressive. I do know that for a fact. They are being forced to accelerate the moves to keep him from being able to retry his run at board seats next year and win this time. If Ackman were to gain power on the board, what's happening today will look like childs play. I know you don't like Carlos, and I don't think the execution of the plans is going well, but no matter who is sitting in that seat, they'd be making cuts. Stockholders will demand it and they own the company.

How could Ackman's plan be more aggressive when virtually 100% of experienced employees who are "making too much money" have been/are being replaced by cheap, inexperienced employees by Carlos Rodriguez? There could not have been a more aggressive plan by Ackman or anyone else from the employee point of view.

Why is Ackman being blamed for something he did not get a chance to do? Again, to try to take some blame away from Rodriguez and his irresponsible employee replacement scheme that has a great chance of crashing the company.

But they are right Ackman's plan was an accelerated and more aggressive version of this plan.

Bill Ackman? He is history. Who knows what would have happened with him at ADP. A thousand times worse? How can it be a thousand times worse when CLOSE TO 100 PERCENT OF VETERAN ASSOCIATES WERE/ARE being laid off without Ackman's help. Ackman, if he ever got in, could not have laid off more people than Carlos Rodriguez has done and is doing.

Why are we even discussing Ackman when he is not a part of the ADP Management? Is it just to airbrush Rodriguez's responsibility for this out?

as bad as this might seem it would be a thousand times worse with bill ackman on the board. If you don't believe me just look at sears and chipotle. Plus this was all decided upon in the gary butler days, this is just a continuance, or maybe the conclusion, who knows.

What he is doing is exactly what person with perishing square suggested they do when there was talk of him putting people on the board.

I'd say ADP could give congress a run for their money as to being the most dysfunctional organization on the face of the earth.

He’s nothing but a a--hole and eventually he will get his big exit payout and will be only remembered as the former CEO who laid off thousands of employees.