Thread regarding DeVry Inc. layoffs

DeVry was designed to fail from the start

The recent publicly-traded share owners of DeVry knew that the target market, e.g. unprepared and unskilled students, would be unable to complete their studies successfully and most would drop out after several classes. The business model was to make a profit from students who were funded by government-backed loans and who had little of no chance of succeeding, and replacing these students using high pressure sales and fraudulent business practices. This article and study prove this assertion. As the reality of this morally bankrupt business model becomes more apparent every day, enrollments will continue to dwindle to zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/business/online-courses-are-harming-the-students-who-need-the-most-help.html

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But it's not all bad news...quoting here...

n “blended” courses, for example, students don’t do their work only online: They also spend time in a classroom with a flesh-and-blood teacher. Research suggests that students — at nearly all levels of achievement — do just as well in these blended classes as they do in traditional classrooms. In this model, online resources supplement traditional instruction but don’t replace it.

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Post ID: @5tis+REOx6rn

Why did DeVry give Harvard the access to this data? Was it part of a settlement?

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Post ID: @3eft+REOx6rn

... and RP spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy a conference session and installed himself as a speaker on the panel last year around this time. Then he sent out a mass email to all the "colleagues" about his upcoming panel discussion with other "Thought Leaders" as if he was invited to this conference. He never mentioned that all those so-called "thought leaders" and the conference organizers were being paid for by Devry's expense account.

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Post ID: @3pjk+REOx6rn

Daniel Hamburger is a fraud, what joke as a leader. The students and employees's are the victims, I've never seen so much unethical business decisions, glad I'm gone. It will make for a great book! Where's that lawyer Camden, honey you need to go after DeVry for violating federal and state employee rights, no ethical HR department found. Class Action law suit.

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Post ID: @3ype+REOx6rn

We were all paid nicely for teaching, on time, every time. Managers work for owners, none of whom care about students (why should they?). The losers here, are the students who were assured their credentials would have some value in the workforce. And will be paying for that deception for years to come (not to mention time lost, and veterans benefits spent).

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Post ID: @3kmp+REOx6rn

Managers are very aware of their actions. They decided to bastardize their moral compass to keep the job. The regular joe colleagues are the victims. No question.

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Post ID: @2vbm+REOx6rn

No way, as a former DG employee, managers were complicit in what was going on. They knew, they just wanted to play the game and get to their C suite on the backs of the underlings. Working while on vacation, unpaid overtime as an hourly employee, was the norm. You'll see once you start working at a normal company how abusive everyone from "Manager" on up had a part in the bs that went on there. Some even reveled in firing people.

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Post ID: @2stl+REOx6rn

I would never the say that management was victimized. They were just following orders, huh? Heard that one before somewhere. As far as employees go, it’s the faculty who have been victimized. All the faculty I knew tried hard in the face of management pressure and misdecisions to do their best for the students, fighting an uphill battle on multiple fronts. Someone had to make an honest effort and it clearly wasn’t the jerkholes who let classes be scheduled by broken software, or who defined “student satisfaction” survey numbers as the primary means of classroom quality. No, it was the faculty who got screwed for trying to do the right thing. Many were fired or let go, some unexpectedly downsized out of careers, since no one else will touch us now after the FTC action about the marketing claims. It’s management who took short-term profitability ahead of any other concerns and they are going to be the ones to get golden parachutes for throwing the company away. They will all be rich and the faculty whom they screwed will be standing in line at unemployment or serving folks at the Cheesecake Factory as a successful HR outplacement result. I am personally being treated for depression and anxiety, and have contemplated suicide. Tell me again how the f4cking management was victimized.

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Post ID: @2pwc+REOx6rn

Offering (even encouraging) online courses for students too unsophisticated to take them will likely be the COD in the final autopsy. Implied promises that degrees earned online would command any respect at all in the workplace didn't help, either. Pressuring profs to do whatever was necessary to pass students, in the end, was a fatal mistake, as well. This just isn't sustainable except maybe during times of high unemployment. I don't think management was 'evil'; just victimized by profit pressure in the stockholder-driven commercial market.

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Post ID: @1rhe+REOx6rn

No. It was redesigned to fail in the 2000s under Daniel Hamburger. When I first started there, all classes were 15 weeks and met twice a week for three hours—no online component. The students were never Ivy material but that much time really allowed us to work the concepts over and over and we had autonomy in the classroom enough to make them learn and come away as better critical thinkers. Running students through the 8 week, once a week with online is where it started to fail.

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