Thread regarding DeVry Inc. layoffs

Dave Pauldine was a UoP graduate!

In part. Most colleges do lag behind industry somewhat because it takes time to build courses and get licensing agreements as well as physical hardware. The tech classes that I teach aren’t so outdated—they are comparable in updates to what other schools cover. I add content to be sure that students have what they need, and I look at other schools’ syllabi to make sure I’m not missing anything. DVTech mostly just added social media collaboration and a 20% “keep our school alive” discount. I wouldn’t be working here at all if I thought the place was ripping the students off. I know a lot of people think that, but I am in the classroom trying to give them a fighting chance. They are not homeless vagrants, most are CC transfers.

I think that’s where the downfall began—an environment where other colleges, highly predatory ones, were operating, and the government went after them. They destroyed ITT Tech for instance. DeVry was before 2016 regarded as a good operator in a bad sector. We weren’t Corinthian, or ITT. Now we are regarded as the same, because there are fewer for-profits left alive to go after. Let’s see how well AdGollum does with their crappy offshore medical schools when the microscope is on them. Yes, I am looking for a new job. I have been for three or four years because I hate the place and its utter disregard for its employees. They treat us like a cross between customer service representatives and factory workers, not the scholars and teachers that we are. As soon as the phone rings, I’m out...so if you are listening, HR at other institutions...call us up and start hiring!!!

@1jqt The ads may or may not have been misleading. I'm not here to judge that. What I can tell you is that before those advertisements flew, DeVry had a curriculum that was relevant and taught skills in technology that got our graduates hired.

The reputation got dragged down, sure - and rightly so. But it was our own lack of maintenance to a meaningful curriculum in our focus industries that screwed us overall.

It was Dave Pauldine's idea to add the job placement rates in their marketing.

The job-placement claims had been going on for awhile. I remember in 2012 sitting in a local meeting, when we had a local career-placement person: The Harkin Report had noted the vast problem of students in the for-profit sector failing to obtain employment sufficient to pay back student loans--that was the crux of the report's complaint--the sheer magnitude of student debt, lopsidedly attributable to for-profit students.

Yet, the local and national "statistics" suggested a very high employment rate--DeVry was NOT part of that problem, we were told. On reason for DeVry's reported career-placement success included all students who came in with a job. Employed students were included as part of DeVry's success rate. I thought and SAID then that such reporting defied the intention of the inquiry and was a cheat. I was looked at as though I had rotting organs on my head. DeVry locally and nationally arrogantly ignored the Harkin Report. Also, ludicrously, if you had low-level employment at McDonald's, you were not only claimed as an employment success, but as one employed at a Fortune 500. Remember the Cheese Factory complaint?

DeVry misled faculty, staff, and students--milking the cow for as long as she'd give. The most sickening part of all of this is that "for-profit" need not be synonymous with "the devil"--conscience, ethics at the core, prioritizing education over profit could have led to a prosperous and truly helpful company. But that was not to be. Instead of their sickening motto, "doing well by doing good" they shifted to "get it while you can."

Yes. But whose bright idea was it to create those terrible job placement rate ads? Was that M. Esbenshade, or was that before her time? Those ads brought down DeVry. We had a much better reputation before the FTC settlement based on the claims in those ads. People went after DeVry because of those ads and the anecdotal evidence contrary to their claims. One of the higher-ups obviously thought that those ads were a good idea...so who was it?

The previous and current provosts have experience in managing greeting cards and correctional facilities!

Who was the marketing person responsible for all of deceptive job-placement ads?

Rob Paul, Donna Lorraine, Daniel Hamburger, Dave Pauldine, all crooks. All collect huge severance move on to next heist while the little guy gets thrown out in the gutter.