Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

It's not that simple

Ok, so I can agree that getting rid of some dead weight in a huge company like Intel is sometimes necessary, but the problem with ACT is that it didn't get rid of dead weight. I am a front line manager, so let me give you a little insight into what happened from manager perspective:

In the last Focal, managers were forced to find people who'd get SSL 4. So they did. These people were not necessarily the worst people in the teams. Often, they were simply people who did not perform well in the last year only. Often, managers just picked someone and gave them a higher raise to compensate for the lower SSL. In some cases, team members even agreed to get a lower SSL because they preferred a higher raise. All of this happened, because nobody knew that SSL 4 would imply getting an ISP. So a lot of people got ISPs who didn't deserve it. And a lot of people who deserved ISPs didn't get one.

Same with VSPs. Those were given mostly to people who didn't get EE ratings for 3+ years. Well, most team managers nowadays have development plans for their teams, because of restricted raise/rating/promotion possibilities. If you have a team of 10 people, you can give two EEs per year - perhaps three if you are lucky. So managers know exactly whom to give which rating in which year to get them promoted. They are not only giving performance-based ratings but also strategic ratings. In my team, I gave an EE rating to one team member, because he had an EE two years ago, so I had to give him an EE this year to promote him (he was overdue, really). Otherwise, the old EE would have been lost (you need two EEs in three years to promote people). So I did not give an EE to another team member who really would have deserved it, but instead I used my promo budget to give him a higher raise (which made him happy) and marked him as a definite candidate for EE next year. But now he got a VSP because of that and left. He wasn't dead weight. He was essential for my team, for our next product and for our key customers. But the VSP made him feel unwanted, no matter how much I begged him to stay. If I had been given a choice, I would have picked another guy to remove from the team.

Why are the managers not given a choice? Because Intel doesn't trust the front line managers to make managerial decisions. There's all this talk about how we are leaders. But we're only asked to be leaders after the fact, to clean up the mistakes made by upper management. Now we're asked to act like leaders and bring the teams back on their feet after ACT. But we were not allowed to be leaders during ACT by actually picking the real low performers. We are not allowed to act like leaders in Focal, because we're given highly restricted budgets for raises and SSL which force us to play silly games with the raises, SSLs and promotions which in turn gets the wrong people fired.

It's not like Intel really wants us to be leaders. We front line managers get zero trainings, except for some nebulous leadership nonsense that has no connection to Intel reality. But we don't get trainings about how to properly identify and deal with low performers, how to create a healthy fluctuation that keeps the company healthy, and so on. Yes, I am sorry to say it, but your are being led by managers who are flying by the seats of their pants and who are being led by managers who blindly execute whatever they are told and who in turn are being led by managers who think every team, no matter how small, can be rated on a bell curve - or that they have to be rated on a bell curve, because front line managers can't make managerial decisions.

So no, don't think that ACT removed deadwood. It removed 12,000 people - many of them important to the future of the company. It did so because of a lack of trust in front line management - which is to some extent justified because Intel doesn't care about empowering and educating front line management. We front line managers are useless idiots. Or at least we're being treated like ones. Doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

I am now looking for a new job, because I am sick of not being trusted to do my current one. I am sick of telling people in Focal that "successful" is a good rating and then having to admit that it was a lie. I am sick of being asked to "lead" only when it's time to clean up messes I did not create. I am sick of being forced to give ratings that may or may not cause my team members to get fired. I am sick of being told to do strict performance management, while the manager four levels above me didn't have anyone from his staff removed, indicating to me that nobody at that level got ISPs or VSPs - which looks like a case of zero performance management to me.

I didn't get a VSP, sadly. I asked my boss to give me one and he refused. He openly told me he asked the same from his boss and didn't get one either. Misery likes company, I guess. So I will go without the package. Got my fifth interview tomorrow. Looking great so far. Giving up my RSUs could imply an unpleasant pay cut, but right now, I just want out.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to vent. ;-)

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Post ID: @OP+PaVjr16

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"One VP recently sent a mass mail asking for mentoring volunteers. That can only bring a chuckle..."

Classic.

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Post ID: @4jjs+PaVjr16

Excellent post. Most managers are not as forthcoming nor honest.

I see no sense of excitement in coming to work in anyone around me. People are simply dragging their sorry *sses just to keep paying bills. Managers are busily redesigning new micro-management processes, while upper management is busy rearranging the deck chairs on the mothership.

One VP recently sent a mass mail asking for mentoring volunteers. That can only bring a chuckle - mentor for what, more work, less, pay? Why should anyone invest their personal time and effort for near zero raises for a decade in succession?

Those who worked here for long do not recognize this company any more. Its a sad spectacle.

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Post ID: @4vut+PaVjr16

I and many, when reading some of posts here, are above the mid psychological line to leave, but some are not above the upper threshold line which is trigger for the decision. OP congratulation and good luck and you won't be alone.

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Post ID: @3bxt+PaVjr16

OP, great post and number of good points as it also says that you are one of good managers and I'd say there are more good individual contributors and managers leaving than bad ones staying and gaming the system.

I wish you well and you inspire me to cut the b.sh.t and do the same! I'd have much longer letter to write, that CEO would have good read and maybe learn a lot, but I guess not for this one nor his helper. I had and still have top skills, therefore should wrap my hope in what now is old deadwood Intel. It is time to call it as it is, our efforts are futile and forces dragging Intel down are overwhelming.

@1mof, my experience is that current competency of the Intel management is way below industry average, often at pathetic level.

@1mlc, broken culture is at the core of the problem from which there is sick HR perpetuating and fostering it together with broken values and twisted and gamed criteria in broken Focals. Milking leftovers of melting monopoly is the only value left with fewer and fewer of good people as they flee to greener pastures, ACTed or self awoken as OP. Incompetent people have high incentives to stay, as they are incapable of surviving outside of Intel, while competent ones would be best leaving in majority of the cases (as there still might be few oases left).

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Post ID: @2jmz+PaVjr16

@PaVjr16-1xbo If you were an Intel employee, you would understand those acronyms. If you're not an Intel employee, then what are you even doing here?

And ask your doctor for some Ritalin to help with your short attention span.

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Post ID: @1zfr+PaVjr16

To get to the point:

Intel's culture is broken. It's senior leadership s---s and created the broken culture, incoherent strategy and counterproductive rating system (FOCAL). The broken culture infects every part of the company - managers, employees, acquisitions - and hurts execution of new and existing initiatives and retention of good employees.

Murthy, Bob and the other cast of new senior leadership aren't the solution. Nor are BK or the current board. Intel is still trading off of past monopoly and associated margins. But things won't last forever.

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Post ID: @1mlc+PaVjr16

OP nailed it, the changing rules and micromanagment force FLMs to game the system in order to best reward their best team members over time. Meanwhole bk justifies getting double digit raises "the board of directors did it to me..." as he screws the company up.

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Post ID: @1cew+PaVjr16

@1gwa

Of course you're an Intel employee.

Your overinflated arrogance actually believes that others have the time and inclination to read your acronym-ridden verbal diarrhea.

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Post ID: @1xbo+PaVjr16

@PaVjr16-1ogz Difficult for those that have reading comprehension of a first grader like you!

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Post ID: @1gwa+PaVjr16

No one is reading that sh!t.

Jesus OP - get to the point.

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Post ID: @1ogz+PaVjr16

@PaVjr16-1cnp and WTF do you care?

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Post ID: @1gnf+PaVjr16

Why would someone bother to spend time reposting an old thread? The Internet has too many trolls

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-facebook-ads-election-trump-mark-warner-2017-9

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Post ID: @1cnp+PaVjr16

As someone who just recently started at Intel (just before ACT), I find it interesting to Note that long time Intel employees have been insulated from the Real world so badly that you mistakenly assume that just because you are competent, the company owes you a job. Bottom line is American Engineers are too expensive. A very very small percentage of Engineers are really worth the high salaries. Companies don't give a crap how good you are. They assume that if you got a rating less than spectacular, they can indeed afford to lose you. They just worry about covering their backs legally. So don't take it personally and move on. All companies are this way. There are no guarantees in tech anymore.

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Post ID: @1bko+PaVjr16

What I found so puzzling about management at Intel was that there were seemingly no negative consequences for bad management. My manager had over 80% turn-over in her team. The only person on her team who stayed was a long-time Intel bot who didn't know his arse from a hole in the ground. The rest of the team were externally recruited, senior and solid.

All but one gone within a little over a year. I was one of the last ones. And I got an SSL4 and ISP for "being new" to Intel. My manager got promoted and is now leading (and killing) another team.

How much did that bad manager cost Intel in recruiting costs, signing bonuses, severance and all the rest? Too say nothing of Intel losing the specialized talent and expertise to do what it planned to do (but couldn't anymore)?

What message does it send when managers are so inept and not only survive but thrive?

That's Intel.

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Post ID: @1mof+PaVjr16

Thanks for your insight OP. Similar for me in some ways. 20+ years at Intel, FLM, but was lucky to get VSP. Perverse really; to work so hard to get that promo and you finally do... then .... no EE in the next few years no matter how you perform... yes .. was told I should not expect an EE now I was on a higher grade. "Not the done thing".

This my dear friends and ex-colleagues is how Intel lost some of the better people, though not inc. me here, I was just a lucky VSP'er.

12+ months on, life is so different now. At least I know who my real friends are, those that want to stay in touch. Done many wonderful things I simply would not have time for, also now running my own modest little business, life's ok outside, really.

That said, 50+ and looking for employment is not so pretty. For you OP getting that job and foregoing VSP can be smarter than taking VSP then looking. I had a plan which is working ok but more out of curiosity have applied for several roles I was suited and qualified for, very little coming back only a handful of interviews no actual offers. So have a game plan and don't overly focus on the quick hit of cash ... if you have that luxury of course.

My best to you all still at Intel sincerely wish you well.

Little parting thought. I devoted almost my entire being to Intel for over 20 years, thought it was hugely respected "out there" felt so proud to be a small part of such a machine. Now on the outside, have to say Intel is pretty much invisible and at best the majority is indifferent, as a technology leader I am hearing little to nothing now, the clock is ticking guys this needs to be fixed and very very soon. Rarely look at layoffs now, first "poke" in many months, I may not return here again as I have moved on, so good luck to you all.

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Post ID: @1kur+PaVjr16

Good commentary. I was nailed in 2016 (April). I had been at Intel 22+ years. During my time, I tried many projects that were non-standard Intel projects: CMOS camera chips, LCOS etc., -but I always felt they were worth the risk. The last one was my downfall: Intel Media. Little did I know that would result in my loosing my job and being sold to Verizon (little side note: Verizon makes Intel look absolutely great. I'm serious...but I digress). As part of the trade, we were told we could not seek jobs at Intel until 3 months had passed. I was disparate to get back into Intel, so when Dec 2014 rolled around, I had found a job. However, when I said that I preferred to start in 2015, I was told that was not possible. Because of this (starting in mid Dec) I lost a Verizon bonus.......little did I know that I would receive a SSL4 since I was there in 2014-even though it was for 2 weeks. I ended up receiving another one in 2015, despite trying to fight my management's justification tooth and nail. it made no difference, and so I was out. I'm much better off now, and I would encourage others to look outside of Intel. My only regret is that I didn't get a chance to walk out on my own accord. This is not the Intel that I remember. I don't predict good things for their future. Too bad: under Andy's leadership, it was one of the best companies in the world. BK? Yah....about that......

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Post ID: @iau+PaVjr16

Repost but a good remider as to how screwed up the ACT was and why focal at Intel is total farce and nothing more than a beauty contest

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