Thread regarding Altice USA (Cablevision) layoffs

YOU WILL BE TARGETED if your salary is too high. If word got out, it would create an uproar. So ATS will need to fix that.

The 6-page ATS Compensation Plan is so cleverly worded, I'll bet that the majority of you guys DID NOT fully READ IT and UNDERSTOOD what you were agreeing to. That's EVERY SINGLE WORD. All goals and levels mentioned are determined by ATS. If you're above their criteria, through no fault of your own, YOU WILL BE TARGETED. If others knew what your salary was, it would create an uproar. And ATS will need to fix that.

So, let's do this. Pull out the 6-page ATS Plan.

Page 2 is where it gets interesting. What is in quotations are from ATS.

Page Two - ATS Compensation Philosophy

"As part of this process, we have performed a market analysis for all new operational roles for ATS to validate market competitiveness."

To validate is to check or prove the validity or accuracy of something. To justify or approve. So ATS is comparing the salaries of your job to others in your field, in the NYC area. Other cable guys. If you're a veteran in field service, you're in for a rude awakening. You're making too much. "Market competitiveness" is another way of saying "those who do what you do and do it well."

"These ranges will differ by geographic area..." NYC techs SHOULD be earning more than Texas techs, since the cost of living is higher in NYC.

Same page, 3rd paragraph - " The New York market is typically paid 20-25% above the national average; where as the Tyler, TX market is typically paid at approximately 85% of the national average.... With that said whether you are in Bethpage, NY or Tyler, TX you will be provided compensation within market value of your geographic area."

So what is the market value?

"Market rates are determined by evaluating your defined job responsibilities with compensation survey data in the U.S. market of roles doing similar work."

Your salary is based on whatever your duties are as compared to others in the exact same field, or type of work, in the U.S. It will NOT matter if you are a veteran of many years in field service. Many choose this field out of preference. Never wanting to enter OSP. And all veterans earn much more than their newbie counterpart. Not your fault, but you're clearly a money problem for Altice.

"The market value is generally defined as 85% to 115% of median (or mid-point) of that survey data in a given geography."

IF 7 technicians were in this survey, and their hourly wages, respectfully are 10,11,12,13,14,15,16, then the middle or mid-point is 13. It is NOT an average. In their above statement, ATS can choose 85% of $13 ($11.05), 15% more ($14.95) or anywhere in between. Take a guess which option they would choose.

It's clever in that the LOCATION of the sentence "The New York market is typically paid 20-25% above...." is in the middle of the page, where normally ones eyes are drawn to, first. Just saying.

Page three - "You are eligible for a merit increase..." OK.... you qualify. But is that a lock?

"The merit pool is targeted at 3%".

ATS is aiming or shooting for 3%. But can they shoot straight? I doubt that.

Page four - Variable Pay Plan

I've explained most of this page in a previous posting. I can tell you that the ATS preferred salary range are grades 10-12.

"Field service will be provided the opportunity to participate in the variable pay plan.... this does not apply to Field service grades 10 through 12 as there will be an automatic enrollment in this program without a pay reduction...."

If I need to explain that one, then we're ALL in trouble.

"For those in grades 13-15 selecting to participate...".

Believe me when I tell you.... you are on their "list." You're making too damn much. You'll be saying goodbye later. Altice will survive by "churning," or slowly "getting rid" of the higher salaries and hire cheaper labor. Remember, your new owner only wants to pay those who are good enough. Barely making it. Better than average but not great. A so-so guy. Don't believe for a moment that you're THAT special.

The Pay Plan for Construction, Fiber, OSP Maintenance, ISP, etc.... Your plan is shady. Your wages are higher (and you've earned it). But you lose 10%, then given 2%. And IF YOU QUALIFY for your position, you'll get another 6% founders bonus. Good luck with that. And that ".... 20% additional earning potential" should really convince you and the misses to go out and get that house. REALLY???

The problems you face are two-fold.

The "wording" or description in their Plan concerning salaries and promotions is filled with uncertainty. It isn't a point system that you can control. Only Altice makes the final decision. On page six they clearly state...

*All roles will be reviewed annually to ensure we are paying total compensation at 85% to 118% of market value."

To ensure WE are paying.... To ensure Altice is paying.... 85-115% of the market value. The market value can go down while the business may be booming. You lose.

And the other is that you're dealing with a company with a history of bad employee treatment. Forget its history with customer service. That's in the toilet. And Altice uses the same toilet on their employees.

History is history. Read BEFORE you sign.

Good luck.

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Up too 10% on grade changes..meanwhile we were getting 10% on grade change no matter what! What other choice we have non! Awesome

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"Either way you slice it the industry is changing and the guys that sit atop are realizing things can get done with cheaper labor costs and less actual employees because of technology"

That is exactly the reason why all workers across the footprint need to unionize. We need to have some kind of safeguards for the people that have built this company to where it is now.

  • Why do we just blindly accept whatever Altice decides for us?

  • What's there to stop Altice from reneging on anything they have promised?

  • Why should we alienate Oakland & Brooklyn?

  • What do think can happen if the entire footprint goes union?

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Post ID: @1wlw+MeYRJZb

Either way you slice it the industry is changing and the guys that sit atop are realizing things can get done with cheaper labor costs and less actual employees because of technology ...way of the world we live in today..look at MCds..you can go in me order at a machine and go sit down and never speak to a person if you choose...when is the last time you went into a cell carrier store to get something or pay your bill??? Grocery stores are offering online orders...it's all about continence and it's eveident in our industry because " we are the Internet" in some customers words. It's all going to boil down to ..is this what YOU want and do you feel comfortable doing this ? If not ...well then there are other options. Does it completely s--- to think about a career change or company change yeah but at the end of of the day what best suits you and your family? I'm in the same boat...I've put a lot of effort and hard work into where I'm at now and to get there and I see no long term goals or advancement in place and it's hard to come in day to day knowing they've made it hard to even complete a route for most. Let's come together as field techs or CSRs or whatever you may be in within the company and help spread the word on what's actually going on. The more informed we are the better!

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Post ID: @1fef+MeYRJZb

Not that i dont believe you, but why dont you put your money were your mouth is a show some fking proof of all this you speak?

It would be nice for all of us to see your proof with all these numbers you're throwing around to see something other then hear how you (who is still with ALTICE), interprets all of the heresay being tossed around.

I am well aware I am taking a risk and gamble, but what do have to show for proof?

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Post ID: @1rxa+MeYRJZb

Hey, Darth.... what's up?

Yes, I did broach the "federal contractor" or 1099 topic some topics back.

My God, I wish these guys realize that companies will choose "select" words to protect themselves from lawsuits or civil actions. What you thought they said or meant was never the case, using words involved within "if" statements. Altice knew you guys don't proofread.

Thanx for the compliment. I'm just a regular guy who feels their pain.

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Post ID: @1mqw+MeYRJZb

guess what 2 shops don't have to worry about ATS coming to take their lunch money??

😕

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Post ID: @1gpn+MeYRJZb

Hey Obe where did you go to law school?

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Post ID: @1pit+MeYRJZb

I understand and don't judge but when put it in a corner. I am not going to kneel and beg for mercy I am going to fight and if I go down, I will go down fighting and knowing I did everything in my power, and if I fail at least I tried and move on. I don't blame no one for signing but if it's true don't blame nobody but yourself for not fighting. Good luck fellas

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Post ID: @fqk+MeYRJZb

Of course guys are going to sign on to ATS. Unless you want to be forced out in a few years to collect a package why would someone stay with Altice after being told you'll be phased out in their "5 year plan?" Everyone figures it's a trap but you really don't have a choice. I'm not anti-union but things are getting desperate now. It's dog eat dog in these shops and everyone is looking over their shoulder. Nobody trusts anyone anymore. Putting all your eggs in the basket where you're shunning ATS and counting on your coworkers to stand together and vote yes is a big risk to take. You'll end up being shocked, upset and disappointed like Jimmy Conway in Goodfellas after Tommy got whacked.

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Post ID: @izc+MeYRJZb

Ats getting nervous are you in that range if not your in for a rude awakening

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Post ID: @owk+MeYRJZb

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Post ID: @mbl+MeYRJZb

Majority of techs are already in the 37-50 range that's not market value it's higher all the union busting bribes, if you would of joined you would be able to keep it now your wide open in my slang term to get got homies. Altice trying not to pay you know this.

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Post ID: @hny+MeYRJZb

Too late I am hearing that more than 90% of the techs have already signed, and the rest of field service is going to sign no matter what anybody says.

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Post ID: @abb+MeYRJZb

Number one they must go by nyc cost of living. Number 2 if you make too much in a given position you move up as required. Enough with your doom and gloom

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