Thread regarding Altice USA (Cablevision) layoffs

Advice to Oakland.... if YOU do your job.. and do the right thing.... YOU WILL BE WORKING TOMORROW

Altice management now will have to watch their P's and Q's. Any action taken by them will not only piss off the union reps, the NLRB, any lawyers involved, the media and social media but also, and more importantly, the other NYC area depots awaiting to vote for themselves. The possibility of ANY negative action from Altice that would cause negative reactions from the technicians will spread across the Altice footprint like cancer. For sure you'll hear it first on this website. So I hope Oakland gives you guys updates as to what is happening there. I can promise you this, though..... there are some technicians from other Altice cable systems checking this site, asking themselves the same questions. So ALL EYES and focus are here. And the word spreads. Suddenlink... be forewarned.....This is ALI-Frazier 4.

So, Oakland..... watch your backs, TRUST NO ONE in management if it involves personal decision making. Be sure to follow company rules and regulations. Be at peace and get there on time. DO NOT THINK that now is the time to do "whatever you feel like it." It doesn't work that way. DO NOT GIVE Altice valid reasons for a demotion or firing. Treat it as "business as usual." BAU.

Without a doubt.... if you do your job.. and do the right thing.... YOU WILL BE WORKING TOMORROW. And yes, your wages are now frozen. Yes, there will be no increase in salary until a contract is reached. Yes, company rules will not change. BUT yes..... YOUR JOB IS SECURE..... unless you give them a reason otherwise.

Prepare and budget your life accordingly. Things may get tight. Realize, accept and adapt your new situation. It is only for "the time being" and won't last forever. If the other depots join in, it would only force Altice to settle the matter quicker.

Pay your bills sooner rather than later. Do not over-spend and purchase unnecessary "toys". Be mindful of over-using your credit cards. The interest will kill you. Those trips you were planning.... reschedule them.

Was it all worth it? Did you make the right decision? Will you survive?

HELL, YEAH!

Altice will now have to open their books and expose their reasoning as to why they need to lower your pay, reduce your sick or personals, increase your health costs, etc. Heaven help us if their hiding something... for it shall be found. Altice will need to PROVE why they feel their actions are justified.

This is the one factor why companies despise unions. A "stranger" out of nowhere is telling you, "I want to see all your paystubs, credit cards, bill statements, driver's license, tax returns and social security card." I ask you..... how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Not good. But then again.... NOT YOUR PROBLEM. Who started this fight anyway?

Do the right thing and you'll be fine. Obey all traffic laws and don't speed. Pull out the cones and follow the protocols. Give all vehicles the right-of-way. Watch your language. Be in proper uniform wearing all safety apparels required (what a pain in the butt, that is). Don't turn into a militant or wildman. More importantly, if you hear or see anything that doesn't seem right.... record it. Therefore, make sure that your phone is fully-charged every working day. Press the "record" button before the conversation begins.

Lastly, be assured that there are a few in management (whoever they are), who have silently become envious of you. Heads will roll for what you've accomplished. And the union CAN NOT protect them. But then again, that's not your problem.

So, to the Oakland technicians... congrats. It's time for the other depots to Rock and Roll. The beer is on me.

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Post ID: @OP+M93qs1X

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There is areason they want o keep you in fear and nonunion .Really anyone can see that as an at will employee you will stand little chance they can and will erode your working conditions,Cut salaries ,Cut man power .Read the internet What the french man says .He said salaries are to high benefits too much .And he wants to cut costs.When are you going to realize the 40 hours or more they have to spread fear and dissent about joining a union is exactly the opposite of what you should be listening to.If you vote yes and can get some more locations to join you will stand a chance to save what you have .Yes nothing is easy and guys need to learn to fight for what you want but without a union the only thing youll be fighting for is who can get under the bosses desk first to grab at the leftovers

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Post ID: @2wvn+M93qs1X

Hey @M93qs1X-1wsc

You're entitled to your opinion and it should be respected. It's the first amendment.

Good for you.

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Post ID: @1wwb+M93qs1X

So I just posted the below comment. I'm waiting to see how long it takes for anunion rep to call be 1. A corporate troll. 2. Tells me I love the Altice D. 3 scared or weak. Etc. truth is that the union environment is a miserable place to work.

On the other hand, I'm not so afraid of change that I need to just "make sure I don't lose anything" and hide behind the union. The industry is changing and I want to see where it takes me.

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Post ID: @1wsc+M93qs1X

Here's the thing. I don't want to have to fight the company I work for. I want to enjoy coming to work. Sorry, but I've never given any sup a reason to fire me so I don't need security. I actually have gotten along with most of my sups. Can the union guarantee me that every day going forward won't be filled with drama? If my shop goes union I'm out. I don't want to work in an us vs. them environment. If you don't like how things are shaking out, go work somewhere else.

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Post ID: @1vxk+M93qs1X

Hey... I gave it a shot. Remember... I said I believe. One thing for sure. Corporate is wondering who the hell this guy is and how to deal with it. I'm glad I have Comcast for service.

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Post ID: @aqw+M93qs1X

Hey Anonymous.... reality check time. You said ..."I want my sick days back, I want my bonus back, I want a salary on par with Verizon and other utility workers. I want job security."

It doesn't work like that. How about asking for a policeman's salary while you're at it. Not being negative or sarcastic here. But ALL CONTRACTS have to be negotiated. PERIOD. And ALL CONTRACTS have a start and end date.

YOU, as a member, will need to express your concerns and issues to your union rep. If enough guys want the same conditions, then it's a no-brainer... they'll push for it. But doesn't guarantee you'll get it. By the same token, neither can Altice guarantee it.

As far as job security. It's SECURE for the length of the contract.... assuming YOU DO NOT give the company, or the union, reasons for dismissal. If you're caught drunk at the job, union or no union.... you're gone.

When the contract ends, it's back to the NEGOTIATING table. Negotiating table.

The difference between union and non-union is this:

Without union you're fending for yourself. It's... YOU GIVE.... and THEY TAKE. Whether you like it or not.

With union, there's a ton of guys behind you. But again, everyone would have to be in agreement. Don't expect perfection. It ain't gonna happen. Even Cablevision in the good-old days was imperfect. But clearly... it was never like it is today with Altice.

It's give-and-take as a group. Between company and you guys.

You decide.

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Post ID: @skr+M93qs1X

You still didn't answer a single valid question I had. Ok I have a voice now. My voice says I want my sick days back. My bonus. And salary on par with Verizon. You say that can be negotiated can this be achieved without a strike?

How can IBEW help me with the "warn act" if I am just a two yr tech paying my dues like any other senior tech. Yes Alice has taken a lot away we all know that. But what can I honestly get back short of a strike.

You say nothing else can be taken. But according to the warn act that's not exactly true. So give me solid answers and not vague chest thumping about how awesome we are now that we're union.

I am concerned we made things worse. Tell me something to ease my mind. Don't be like that crazy guy below you who thinks Altice reps are sitting around trolling the site. People like that make this union look stupid.

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Post ID: @slj+M93qs1X

There is a big difference just in the fact that you have a voice unlike you have now. Nothing can be taken from you in a snap of a finger. Your failing to understand this after it's been reitirated thread after thread. Has Altice given you anything solid? Yea they slapped you in the mouth when they took your sick days, bonus & a vacation day. I don't comprehend how you have so much faith in this company after all that. You probably believe in unicorns & gold @ the end of the rainbow. You have to be management cause no tech is this delusional.

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Post ID: @iex+M93qs1X

GUY'S dont be fooled by the person posting this ..."If IBEW won't be doing anything to Altice plans than how are they looking out for my best interest? I want my sick days back, I want my bonus back, I want a salary on par with Verizon and other utility workers. I want job security of course but as Faust stated what beyond that can IBEW do".....THAT IS A CORPORATE TROLL PRETENDING TO BE A CONCERNED TECH. I GOT A CALL THEY ARE ALL THERE HUDDLED TOGETHER SITTING IN A GROUP AROUND THE CONFERENCE DESK WITH A HUGE FLAT SCREEN TV MONITOR MONITORING OUR POSTS TO GAIN INSIGHT AND INFO FROM ALL THAT WE POST. DO NOT ANSWER THOSE NAY SAYERS OR SO CALLED ON THE FENCH OR NAIVE TECHNICIANS. THOSE ARE THE IMPERSONATING CORPORATE CLOWNS.

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Post ID: @zjg+M93qs1X

Well probably couldn't get nothing on my own. But how's that different if having a third party has the same results.? Brooklyn didn't get anything better.

You say it depends on negotiations. That sounds to me like more drama in my life and nothing else.

You guys defend a lot of up in the air possibilities and give nothing solid. How will you protect me from the warn act. And how exactly will we get back what we lost short of a long strike. Can you honestly answer me that.

Because I don't see altice shaking in their boots like you seem to think.

Also don't bring Brooklyn into this their contract s---s.

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Post ID: @yxb+M93qs1X

SEE CORPORATE TROLL YOU PROVED OUR POINT IN YOUR POST.

"(Everything will remain exactly as is except those who pay union dues will have to tack that on top of the 10% pay cut. Unless of course your smart and transfer to ATS with current pay and 2% bonus.)"

Was it not Altice that offered that option 10% pay cut to earn a 10-20% bonus in a year. And now you confirmed that you would be SMART TO KEEP YOUR CURRENT SALARY WITH THE 2% BONUS in transferring to ATS. So why did they include an offer that would NOT have been in your best interest in your terms of employment. And it's not becuase of the union. It's becuase it's a con job to help them eventually in ATS, to cap and keep salaries at a lower rate until every higher paid technicians are gone.

If all the depots unionize, Altice CANNOT DECREASE YOUR CURRENT BENEFITS NOR LAY EMPLOYEES OFF then hire less paid contractors to come do the same jobs. The STATE, THE CITY, THE NLRB, THE PSC, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CUSTOMERS AND THE PEOPLE IN THE TRI STATE AREA, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WOULD CALL FOR A FEDERAL, CIA, HOMELAND SECURITY, DOI, INVESTIGATION INTO ALTICE PRACTICES WORLD WIDE.

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Post ID: @esx+M93qs1X

I want my sick days back, I want my bonus back, I want a salary on par with Verizon and other utility workers. I want job security

Try getting that on your own without the union and tell me how that goes for you

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Post ID: @fqt+M93qs1X

Atleast it's all up to for negotiations. What can you negotiate with Altice without a union? Answer me that!!!!!!

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Post ID: @eci+M93qs1X

If IBEW won't be doing anything to Altice plans than how are they looking out for my best interest? I want my sick days back, I want my bonus back, I want a salary on par with Verizon and other utility workers. I want job security of course but as Faust stated what beyond that can IBEW do.

Not trying to be funny but would like some clarity on what to expect. I don't feel the power of United employees as you stare. In fact I feel I may have made a mistake. I just found out about the "warn act" and I am not a senior tech. I will pay dues like anyone else but what am I getting,? You say Altice can't take anything else away but can we get anything back?

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Post ID: @nxo+M93qs1X

So you think You can get your days back, benefits & wages on par with other utility workers without a union then You are definitely confused. Without a union Altice is only gonna keep taking and you have no say but to cry about it or quit & look for another job. All I hear the anti union or corporate trolls cry about is union dues. Is that the best you got against a union? I bet u spend more than $30 in 1 nite eating out. I'll rather use the money to have some kind of voice & not be another fish in a barrel. You wouldn't go to a gunfight with a knife????

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Post ID: @npw+M93qs1X

IBEW will not be doing anything to Altice plans. ALTICE WILL have to find a way to work with The IBEW and its unionized employees. They are there to look out for the best interest of the employees. Don't confuse twist and manipulate this whole thing. Altice is the one who now has a problem. 2 shops are now unionized and there will be much more in a few weeks. Therefore Altice is guaranteed to now speed up their plans to get ATS going immediately. Quicker than needed. Now can you see the power of employees united together for a bigger cause. Keep Unionizing to help protect from losing more and more of your benefits from the whim of Altice.

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Post ID: @nmd+M93qs1X

So your saying IBEW going to fix this and make it like it like it was? I am confused. Because if I can't get my days, and benefits back and money on par with other utility workers I will be be pissed paying union dues for nothing.

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Post ID: @qme+M93qs1X

BRAVO TRULY PUT. STABILITY IS KEY in unionising why opt for raises if your gonna lose more in benefits. You get a 2% raise while you lose 30% in benefits, do the math.

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Post ID: @zdr+M93qs1X

Altice Corporate lawyers and management trolling for info folks. Let them who are asking about Obeeone reveal to us there initials corporate level within Altice organization and how much they are been paid. When we have confirmed who you guys are that are asking, then and only then you can ask of Obeeone to reveal himself.

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Post ID: @zta+M93qs1X

We in Oakland are not looking for the union to fix anything. We're just looking to keep from losing any more atleast for the next few years. Without a union you have no guarantees & Altice can go head and treat you like a step child & take what they want with no explanation. The only reason they came up with that fraudulant excuse on why they took our sick days was because they heard the word UNION. Stability is key

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Post ID: @mcs+M93qs1X

Why do you insist so much that this guy should reveal himself to you. Wow he must be annoying and hurting your pride so much with his posts, that you need to know exactly who he is. Ok ok I will give you a clue to who he is. Go watch Star Wars. He's right there.

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Post ID: @kcg+M93qs1X

Stop making excuses @anonim

He can put a tech number at the very least. What would it matter he don't work for cable no more remember. Admins can't bang you for a tech number. A tech number with last date of hire will do.

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Post ID: @owr+M93qs1X

This is an anonymous board, so stop asking people to reveal their identities, it's pointless! Even if they do, site admins will delete that kind of messages, as there is no way to confirm if they are using their true identity or impersonating someone else.

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Post ID: @ske+M93qs1X

Lol and what exactly you think IBEW going to do about Altice plans? see this is the problem. The answer is nothing? Nothing IBEW can do about it without a loooooooooooong fight that will still end with nothing. You seem to think that now that IBEW in the mix the business plans will change. I got news for you buddy it's not.

Everything will remain exactly as is except those who pay union dues will have to tack that on top of the 10% pay cut. Unless of course your smart and transfer to ATS with current pay and 2% bonus. Dude people in management and some senior techs took packages because really what idiot wouldn't. Cablevision is gone. This new company is sh--. We all know it's sh--, and will get worse before it gets better. But sounding your Union horn as if that's going to be our saving grace is massively ignorant and premature.

Bottom line is we're all on borrowed time Union or not. Best thing anyone can do is hang around let 401k fatten up until your card is punched. Take the package deal. Or cash out and get another job while you still have this one. Those are the only real options. Union is not going to fix a dam thing. I promise you that much.

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Post ID: @cgs+M93qs1X

@faust

When you can reveal who you truly are first and where you are from on these post. Then you will get your answers. He obeeone has already post a lot about himself and you haven't stated anything about your own corperate self, So dont ask of Obeeone what his name and exactly who he is. We now know him as a fact checker, knowledgeable informative individual that can inform us. Why don't you go ask of your employer what is their corperate plans for ATS and Altice and post it here for all of us to see. Then we can all see and learn in making an informed decision on our future.. Bet you wouldn't would you. This is why you're a fraud a lizard and a lepricorn. Dont ask for what you cannot give.

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Post ID: @zyg+M93qs1X

@Faust

You are such a FRAUD. Your alternative facts won't work here. About getting raises, you are such a s--- up that your mindset is in such a dark hole. Where is it ? since Altice has taken over, where has the employees benefited since they came. Employees were asked to take a VSP. Many in management took packages including supervisors were let go, some even quickly volunteering before seeing the writing on the wall. Less benefits vacation sick time and the many hundreds of losses and changes that has only hurt the employees, comparing from what they had couple months ago. There is nothing getting better for the employees, nothing. So while you talk about getting raises every year thats nothing more than a flase flag. While you take a 10% pay cut to earn a bonus they will be lessening all your benefits, put a salary cap on you and only that bonus you'll be able to look forward to. Altice is not here to promote and pay higher wages nor benefits. They are here to get rid of their huge technical operational cost to their new company ATS. And it includes you. So this is why it's 1000% better to have UNION REPRESENTATIONS to say when where and how Altice / ATS can negotiate and agree with you first, the employees on any changes to be made in your best interest

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Post ID: @nvv+M93qs1X

@FOH

Because he so called don't work here no more I still do. So what's he got to lose by revealing who he use to be? For all we know he was a nobody in the company who now wants to be somebody here.

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Post ID: @rnh+M93qs1X

Recording someone conversation without legal consent is illegal, tables may turn on you and you could be in big trouble

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Post ID: @fdc+M93qs1X

Iam not the one acting like I care soooooo much about a job and employees Iam no longer a part of lol.

I see bs I call it out simple as that. Not only do I question this obeeone person but I question his one sided information he deems as fact. So I'll just post this link about why people are flakey about Union and why Oakland is now in deeper sh!7 than they were before. Contracts s---. Especially when dealing with a company that has a long history of practically decimating unions throughout Europe.

I will be getting a raise in March Oakland will get nothing for no less than two years if not more. Their fight will make brooklyns look like a cakewalk. Neither depot is getting anything better than those without Union and to make it worse your now getting less money because you have to pay a third party just to make sure you don't get fired for not running a drop. You pro Union people are no better than the company lies and misinformation from both sides.

You only point out the pretty things. The ugly truth is somewhere in the middle. If IBEW can prove they can do more than CWA did and prove they can obtain a better living standard beyond "just cause" b---s--- other depots will jump on in a heartbeat. But as is Oakland has been mislead by fear and will likely not get anything better at all and less money for the effort

For those interested in why unions are dieing read this:

https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/union-membership-economic-growth/?gclid=CKr1i_jTv9ICFYKFswodGUsF_Q

Iam not pro company or Union Iam about real facts based on reality. Not as gullible as you seem to be.

I hope Oakland can prove otherwise and actually show the benefit of Union that Brooklyn couldn't.

But my money says they won't. Altice is not dolans you underestimate a global corporation you pay the price.

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Post ID: @gkj+M93qs1X

faust. why nt start saying who U R? Faust what? or what Faust? wher U from. U want others to reveal yet U are mystery. Hypocrite! Tell your bosses Nice Try. I figure he's pssing U off.

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Post ID: @fzu+M93qs1X

@obeeone

Who Are you really?

You say you worked here 20yrs, your not a part of the business, your not Union, your not management. Blah Blah. But you take far too much time in our affairs and write huge post and talk like you are a part of our struggles despite supposedly having a different job and other responsibilities.

I call bs. For the simple fact you hide who you really are and seem to have way too much time on your hands educating people in a field you claim your no longer a part of. Your advice on this current forum is revealing. So how about you come clean and validate your post with an actual name or at least a tech number and depot. Your no longer a part of the business right? So why hide.

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