I think it should be pretty obvious at this point that our organization is very much aligned with republican values and motivations: corporate profit above all else. That means each of us is an extension of the republican party, and that includes the values of Trump, in all that we do in our everyday jobs at the expense of the average American taxpayer. We faculty serve investment banks and shareholders more than anyone, and as someone who is deeply opposed to Trump, it makes me question whether what we do is ethical. Is it ethical to work for a company where 25% of its programs have been found to not lead to gainful employment? I don't have answers, only questions.
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Take your meds.
Devry is ethical because the have an ethics line to prove it
Whining bunch of worthless snowflakes. Hussein Obama set out to screw and divide this and he accomplished it. Import millions of Muslim refugees then tax the hell out of the middle class to give them free everything. Open southern border leaving hundreds of thousands of illegals in to commit crime and murder. Give a screwed up person that can't decide if they're a man or woman more rights than a veteran who risked his life for this country. Screw all you communist liberal snowflakes.
Let me say first that I have always been, and remain, a never-Trump person. But drawing a straight line from DeVry as a business and Trump values is ridiculous. It is the goal of every business to make money. We may not agree with some of the methods used to achieve that, but for heaven's sake! Working at DeVry does not make me an "extension of the Republican party." It makes me a teacher striving to do my best by my students. If I worked in a program that prepared students for non-existent jobs, then I would rethink my career. But in my field, educational opportunities are limited, and our graduates do find jobs in their field, so I am doing them a service by allowing them to train for that good-paying career. DeVry makes money on that educational transaction, as they should. What don't you get about "private school"? They must make money to survive.
I love how someone talks about if you take devry's online education away and all this like Devry is the only school that offers online. A lot of state schools offer online courses now. And for a lot less money. It's time to get off your high horse about offering online courses, it is no longer a unique selling point for us.
We need competitive programs that are not looked down upon by employers. Education that is sought after so people do not spend 3x more (if not higher) for a degree that gets them nowhere but unemployment and a $0 bank acct.
Devry is worse than not going to school at all because it degrades the education process, fools people into thinking they are learning, cheats them out of future earnings because the degrees are not recognized by industry, turns people into slaves because of student loans, and creates a world of ignorance and fear. Devry is not about giving underserved people an opportunity to learn, it is about cheating the ignorant for the profit of the managers and shareholders. At its core it is a deceptive, damaging, and unethical organization.
The school can be good for the ones who don't get to go to the others, that won't take them in for low grades. All the classes keep coming up with the facts for success, and without it how can they take something like that away from everyone. So dont cry about everything going on when it takes it on up to a maneger who keeps the establishment running. The profit keeps everyone motovated in there to make a difference.
Devry cares about students to the degree that the company can cheat them and get away with it - students are disposable commodities. Devry cares about instructors to the degree that the company can pay minimum wage with no job security and hopes they will not quit. Devry cares only about profits and share price. The managers are heartless cretins who would sell their own mothers if they could.
Actually, the facts and opinions are tightly intertwined. The facts give rise to the opinions and both are heavily stacked against us.
For example, my students in tonight's class were complaining about how frustrated they are to be so close to graduation and unable to get the classes they need to finish their degree. The FACT is that we don't offer very many classes each session, and a big chunk of those offerings get cancelled due to low enrollment. As a result, the OPINION of the students is that the university doesn't seem to be doing much to help them graduate. It would be unprofessional of me to tell them how much I agree with them, so I just stay quiet and listen, offering what little encouragement and guidance that I can. History has shown that expressing such opinions can put one's job at risk.
facts? Like the fact we just settled with the FTC for $100 million for misleading students? Or that a quarter of our programs were just found to not lead to gainful employment? And that 97% of all the programs that fail their students nationwide were found to be for profit? Like those kind of facts? And regarding the "market", you realize we wouldn't exist without the federal welfare we receive, right? If your such fiscal conservatives, why do you support a system where schools get free taxpayer money even if their students can't get jobs. I know why republican politicians do- because they are paid handsomely by our lobbyists!!!! You people are against welfare but your job is dependent on it!!!!!
AMAZING that so many OPINIONS here are presented as facts. Do some real research before you post, idiots!!!!!!!!!
President Trump! That's all I have to say. The rest of the posts on here are pure garbage and the opinions of people who like deficit spending, who think the economy is solid and who don't uphold the law. He got elected, most of you probably didn't even vote. Don't cry about losing or the fact he won. Ethics? Really? You people apparently do not know the marketplace of students that are out there. You take away the private education sector and the online environment and all the people that didn't go to college or dropped out at some point have nowhere to go. They don't attend regular campuses because their schedules do not permit them to sit in a class during working hours. Most have to quit school because of the work life and school struggle and you morons have the audacity to say it's unethical to give the people an opportunity to get an education that fits within their schedule? Really? Stop complaining like big babies and do something about it. Grow up!
Education is a by-product of DeVry activities. The corporation is designed to satisfy the greed and selfishness of its managers and major stockholders, which is why it is publicly held. The real purpose of Devry is to make money for its managers and shareholders - that is all. The only true concern is profit, and in order to meet this goal students must be lied to and defrauded while being given a fake education, and instructors must be cheated while being treated like factory workers. The profit strategy is driving revenue through fraudulent manipulation of ignorant people, and lowering costs through intimidating and threatening employees. Lying, cheating, and stealing the future of the students are at the heart of this company. Politics are an irrelevant sideshow.
What I find funny about this: you all seem to think the problems are a function of regulation. What about sky high tuition, poor student outcomes and a bad reputation? That has nothing to do with gainful employment.
Hold on to your seats! You haven’t seen anything yet. Trump said today he wants to cut regulations 75% or more. That’s the cause of the Trump-bump in stocks. He’s said in the past he wants to eliminate food safety regulations. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is on his list as well. Look them up and see what they do besides protecting students from predatory lenders. Prepare for another 2008-type financial meltdown. Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are also in republicans’ cross-hairs. Tariffs on imports will raise prices on manufactured goods. Exportation of migrant farm workers will raise food prices. Talk about carnage. I ask, at what price prosperity?
We may not have donated a lot to Trump directly but we donate a lot to republicans in general. And our stock price went up a lot just based on Trump's win, so we are benefitting from a Trump presidency. They know he won't go after us like Obama did. Anything we have done, he has done way worse.
This may not be completely on point, but an examination of DeVry's FEC report-the university supports a PAC and during the last cycle raised nearly $100,000 on behalf of candidates-reveals little money went directly to the Trump campaign. That's not so say it didn't find its way into coffers sympathetic to the Trump campaign, but an examination of itemized distributions indicate only one or two high-ranking DeVry officials directly contributed to his campaign. All part of the public record.
I feel your pain. Just look at what happened on the first day of Congress this year when republicans voted to eliminate the nonpartisan Office of Congressional Ethics. The potential Education Secretary, DeVos, thinks all schools should be private, for-profit, potentially forcing students to attend schools like DeVry, or remain uneducated (as Trump likes). You may be hard-pressed to find a teaching position in an ethical organization in the very near future, as Trump U may become the new blueprint for education. Many of my colleagues found positions at public colleges and universities. Hopefully, you can too.