Thread regarding McKesson Corp. layoffs

360 employees were told in October that they were being laid off in EIS as of March 31st. For the next two months our job is to train our offshore replacements. Now I have been with the company over 15 years. I don't think I can convey to an offshore resource that does not understand what I do or how I do it, the last 15 years of my experience in two months. Sorry.

What is expected to happen April 1st? Are you just speculating layoffs will occur at the end of the fiscal year? More departments being offshored? How much could possibly be?

You get what you pay for with offshoring. Their English in this post shows it. Even after expressing that we were not receiving ANY value we were told to take on more offshore resources. ALL of their work has to be double checked and peer reviewed, no task can be done by their team alone. I'm seriously concerned with what is coming April 1st.

Last comment has got to be someone from India....

1. Wine: Yes we love wine, you meant whine. Learn English!

2. Complane: It's Complain.....

Yes, Americans are fed up with corporations that reward their top people with so much money, and the average worker bee makes so much less, receives no rewards, and management demands 24x7 work out of us.

What YOU DON'T KNOW is there was a HUGE LABOR dispute raised by Services and Support Personnel. McKesson back in late 2000's. MCK made those positions salaried, not hourly. GUESS WHAT?

It cost McKesson Thousands becuase the Labor Department did an investigation and made these jerks go back 2 years and pay overtime.... HUGE payouts. Management had to change these Salaried positions to Hourly. Then, all of a sudden the 24x7 work stopped. Hours were decreased, and if someone was approaching 40 hours in a week or over, they were told to take days off, and the rest of the work was left to the lean staff that were already over worked. McKesson did not hire positions when people left.

McKessons motto is DO MORE WITH LESS. While their Corporate jerks at the top rake in the MILLIONS.

I guess if India enjoys doing 24x7 for so much less money, I say more power to you. Enjoy your slave labor, your paycheck is so much lower than Americans, they don't pay for your healthcare, and the top leaders rake in the dollars. These are NOT Leaders. They could not LEAD anyone or give directions to where the bathroom is in the work place.

GROSS beyond words can say. WE HATE THIS MANAGEMENT. All they believe is LAYOFF over and over again.

Americans work, but are tired of putting up with the crap top management dishes out, when they are the ones making all the money, and giving the people cake...... LET THEM EAT CAKE.... = MCK Motto, or for that matter throw them Pizza parties. Ridiculous!!!!!

Americans sure can wine. Put head down work learn stop complane

The problem most are overlooking, is that the American work force in the states is constantly picking up India's pieces when they SCREW UP!

If India did such a good job, then I think most of us wouldn't complain as much.

India now expects to have our US holidays off work, they slack all the time, do mediocre work, mess things up and then LIE ABOUT IT! Yes, it is slave labor and turn over in Genpact is crazy.

They NEVER ADMIT when they make a mistake. As we speak there is a crisis with one of our systems and GENPACT is doing nothing to help. They act like everything is hunky dory when it most definitely is not.

They see McKesson customers as numbers on paper. They don't interact with customers or face the day-to-day tasks that we do.

.. What makes you better option, a better deal, than an employee from India? If they are willing to work 24/7 for significantly less, wouldn't McK derive better value from them? If the value / cost ratio is better, the reality is that, given that the option remains open to the management(it may not be soon), McK would rationally choose it. That's not ineffective management. That is rational. Loyalty is not rewarded, value is..

I am sure that I occasionally fall into the cross hairs for a laid off. I have worked for MCK for years, am in my mid-40s and facing strong competition from, eager, younger and foreign talent. BUT you can bet that I'm not going out complaining. I'm going out striving to learn everything I can to win .. And, I'm not saying this on behalf of MCK.. MCK doesn't control my fate .. I do..

Let's stop complaining, belittling the management that earned their place, and use this site to share information so that we could win, and get on top ..

I could not agree more with the last comment about Offshore Indian work. McKesson wants to hire Inidan workers becuase they are cheaper labor, and, as the person said so well, they will do SLAVE labor and work 24x7 for anything management desires. This company does not want constructive criticism. I filled out so many HR surveys about failed management and policies, and they DO NOT adhere to them one bit.

Year after Year, Management was told what was wrong, HR did not listen, and Management has decided to get rid of competent American workers because they will save more with SLAVE labor that Indian workers seem to enjoy. They do not question management. Everything is yes sir! Yes mam! No questions asked. Just do what the incompetent leadership dishes their way.

McKesson software is the worst in the industry, and customers know this, and that is why they have installed Epic, Cerner, the better alternatives.

I don't understand why McKesson thinks offshoring will help their software because iT WAS OFFSHORE that created the entire mess way back in 2000 with HzERM. This company leadership is so bad. They are not leaders. They are corrupt as corrupt can be. As many have said on this site, MCK MOTTO IS: Do as I say..... Not as I do.... ICARE about getting rid of American workers, because how dare they question our authority.

This place is the WORST time I ever spent my life, and wasted so many years of dedicated service. Layoff after Layoff year after year. I hate this company to the core, and HR for that matter, because they DO NOT CARE about American Employees and never listened to why the software failed to begin with. They care about saving $$$$$ for their RICH TOP Executives, starting with that horrendous, arrogant, incompentent CEO leader. This company is a JOKE!!!!!

I have no issue with these guys getting rich.

But when the message that trickles through the company, ilead, icare, etc etc conflicts sharply with the actions and decisions made, it makes my work very difficult to do.

I cannot to the right things for the projects I work on because at the end of the day there is a choke hold on funding to the projects, and every minute of time spent is accounted for. Finance rules first and foremost and this inhibits our productivity, left to constantly work in triage mode.

This demotivates everyone in my unit from wanting to lift a finger and get creative to work around this nonsense. Zero passion for their work and I can't blame them. McKesson has beaten it out of them.

McKesson the message you send to your employees is "do as I say, not as I do".

You're going to have to set a mandate to hire dumber people if you don't want people reading the real meaning in your actions vs useless announcements.

Maybe you already have. You need machinery to keep the cogs moving so the $$$ keep rolling in. That's it. The people I work with have all become machinery. And they'll stay because they are comfortable. They aren't happy. But they aren't ambitious to demand more, to expect better.

Sure they read this site and disregard, but so do clients. Oh that's right, they disregard us too.

ALL they care about -- JHH and the rest of 'em -- is lining their pockets, and the walls of their mansions with cash. You, the non-C-suite employee, are simply grist for their mill. I was laid off last year and it ended up being a very good thing. I'm so glad to be gone from that poisonous environment.

And SF employees, line something up, because the TX relocation IS happening, no matter what C-suite tells you. Probably by the end of FY18.

Romulus Augustus probably said the same thing.

I meant to say that they read and discusd and disregard this site. They talk about this site in the highest level of leadership meetings and quickly disregard it. Like they do pulse surveys. They get the info and actively say 'we don't care about that' and 'those people always complain'. Nice. There's nothing to fix here for us, unless we leave. These guys/girls won't change. We have to. Make a better impact on our world.

Exactly. I've been in these leadership meetings, they all talk about how unhappy the workforce is, they disregard this side, saying 'there's some noise out there, but it'll die down' for half a second. They don't care! It's all about how good they look to the shareholders and how fast they can retire with their millions. Believe me, they know! And when some do gooder tries to help them see the light in these meetings, they are laughed at and sloughed off. It's a lost cause. These a--holes are going to hell. Period. All of them. While they drink their bourbon, alone with their a--hole selves and whomever surrounds their a--hole behavior. We are all best off doing what we're doing, trying to find a way out.

I slightly disagree about incompetent.

They are very compitent at driving the stock price up for the shareholder.

Those decisions effectively neuter other layers of management from making good decisions, to the point where they don't even try, and the culture grows to enable bad decision making.

Then down to the worker who is very aware of the futility of their work and are unfulfilled because of the the conflict of their values (to be productive with work that has value for our customers - makework does not fulfill that value) and upper managements values of creating/increasing shareholder value.

This site has been a god-send to those of us who have spent YEARS wondering 'is it ME? Or is the upper management of this Fortune 50 company REALLY that incompetent?' Clearly the consensus is an unequivocal 'Yes'.

Many thanks to all the co-workers posting here. It helps a lot to know that others are seeing the same stupidity.

Employees will never tell their managers, or managers managers what they really think anymore, how they really feel, because we don't believe the organization has the will to act on constructive criticism. It's the same old drink the coolaid "Everything is awesome" every time something "ungood" is mentioned.

So managers, if you're wondering why you're staff don't say much when you meet with them to see how things are going, this is why. They have no faith anything good will come of it, and things will only get worse for them for voicing their true opinions. Good job on cultivating that environment McKesson.