Thread regarding Altice USA (Cablevision) layoffs

IT'S NOT A DREAM, IT'S A NIGHTMARE !! WHAT THE HELL IS A 1099 CONTRACTOR ???

Get ready people because this is a slick manuever by your new owner and it's perfectly legal. Techs are asking on this website what the hell is a 1099 contractor. Meanings are given but clearly not enough. Again, if you do your homework and do a little research, you'll find the answers. So, here goes.....

From the website tentiltwo.com:

Do you know the difference between an independent contractor versus an employee? The distinction is relatively black and white. Recently, this question appeared on LinkedIn:

What’s the benefit of hiring a W2 versus hiring a 1099 consultant for the same job? I’m interested in your opinion when comparing a W2 to a 1099 hire. Thanks.

This is the answer that was given:

I can’t think of a reason to put someone on a W2 instead of a 1099. If the need is for a permanent, full-time position, then W2 is generally the way to go. If the work doesn’t fit this category, I can’t think of a reason to use a W2 employee.

Well, she kind of got it right.

It seems there is a trend to move more and more work to independent contractors rather than hire employees directly onto the payroll. The answer above is missing a few very critical points; specifically, the legal definition of a contractor and if the job can be filled by a 1099 worker or must it be a W2 employee?

The answer here is as simple as two little words. A Duck. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. In other words, if the position requires the employee to be directed as to how, when, where and with what to do the job, then get quacking… he is a W2 employee. If however, the job will be done independently, then a 1099 may be the way to go.

Think of a roofer. If you call someone to fix your roof you don’t tell him what size nails to use, how to swing the hammer, which guys on his team will work and when to break for lunch. That is because they are independent (AKA 1099) contractors. Now if you have an administrative assistant who is required to be at the office at 9am, dress according to code, take lunch at noon, use Microsoft Word on an office computer and report to a supervisor, well that’s a W2 employee.

OK. Now get ready for the kicker. Again, from the same website......

There is an enormous amount of confusion, both by individuals and employers, regarding 1099 status. Many people mistakenly believe that the decision to classify someone as an employee or a contractor is solely at the discretion of the company with the work. And all those people would be wrong.

This is important stuff, as contractors carry more of their tax burden than their employee counterparts. Employees only pay half of their Social Security and Medicare taxes (FICA), while their employers pick up the other half. Contractors are burdened with the entire tax bill, including the state and federal income tax that is generally withheld weekly from employee paychecks.

Damn. This reminds me of the song "Smooth Operator." Altice, legally, will avoid paying half your Social Security and Medicare taxes. So, you better find yourself a damn good tax accountant to figure out your tax returns. It will be a mess.

Now, that being the case, how would you fight it? The IRS takes mislabeling workers as contractors big time. So, here are IRS "rules" that Altice CAN NOT break, if they wish to label you as a 1099 contractor:

  1. You don’t submit a weekly or monthly invoice for your services.

  2. The guy you work for refers to himself as your boss.

  3. You have a specific schedule, are monitored by someone and are told when to take your lunch break.

  4. There are other people with whom you work that are doing the exact same job, but are classified as W2 employees.

  5. The company gives you a uniform and you are required to wear it.

  6. You drive a company vehicle.

  7. You have company business cards and a company email address.

  8. The company tells you when you can take a vacation.

  9. You are using a computer provided by the company.

  10. The IRS calls and says, “We need to talk.”

Also...

  1. requiring the prospective contractor to start with two weeks of training and two weeks of shadowing;

  2. requiring contractors to “punch in” in the morning, and work all jobs assigned to them until the system allows them to finish, which could be 12 hours later, and allocating a “lunch period” at the company’s discretion;

  3. requiring a “non-compete” agreement that prevents them from working for other cable installation contractors —

All of which violate basic components of the employee vs. independent contractor test, as described on the IRS website.

A true independent contractor already has the skills for the job, rather than needing training in the employer’s system; has discretion in hours worked, and in break periods; and is able to work for multiple job sites.

What’s more, because of the “contractor” system, it is the individual, and not the company, that loses out when a customer cancels, or when the job takes longer, sometimes even far longer (an installer tells tales of customers making him wait while they run out to buy a TV), than it should. And these workers are given visions of large paychecks that never materialize, especially after the need to rent and purchase equipment, pay gas bills, and, come tax time, manage self-employment taxes, and, come tax-time, discover that none of their taxes have been withheld. And because of these expenses, they’re not able to successfully determine a true take-home pay.

Jesus Christ !!! What are you veterans and newbies waiting for? What is there to explain? The info I have provided for you guys is voluntary. I don't have to do squat. I am retired and living on Social. I am not wanting of anything. I have all my toys. But I don't how many times you have to be slugged on the head before you realize your brains are scattered all over the floor. And I perceive much fear from amongst you. Almost all the responses are written by "Anonymous." As though Altice is able to find out who the hell you are. My God... make up a name at least. This way technicians can see if it is the same persons or otherwise. There's no way to tell if responses are from the same source. It would also give everyone an idea of how many DIFFERENT technicians are concerned. You're NOT dealing with the NSA, CIA or the Secret Service. Nor was Eric Snowden recently hired by Altice.

And here's my message to Altice.... because we all know you're keeping tabs..... DON'T PISS ME OFF !!!

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Post ID: @OP+LKYOpCk

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Idiots. They are looking for contractors. For the f'in build! Not service work. They need manpower to run a 100 miles of fiber a day. You can't do a rebuild without outside construction help. That's how you got the system you got today. Does anyone actually research anything instead of just getting all emotional? Stop being babies and start being thinking men.

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Post ID: @1zel+LKYOpCk

Hamptons May get busy, but that is over 3 months away, don't fool yourself

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Post ID: @1dfq+LKYOpCk

Not true. Check with TRIWIRE. THEY REFUSED TO WORK WITH US. SO YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH. I KNOW THERE IS ABOUT 10 CONTRACTING COMPANIES LOOKING FOR TECHS BUT HOW MANY THEY HAVE? MAYBE FEW. SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. HAMPTONS SUMMER IS COMING AND IT IS F..... WILD

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Post ID: @1jzn+LKYOpCk

Altice does have many contracting groups waiting to fill our shoes. Obviously you haven't been checking employment offers online from contracting companies.we can be replaced in days, don't fool yourself

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Post ID: @1sqc+LKYOpCk

GUYS I KNOW THIS IS CR---P BUT LETS WAIT FOR OFFICIAL OFFER ON THE PAPER FROM ATS. THEY SAID NEXT WEEK OR SO FOR FIELD SERVICE. THEN YOU WILL HAVE 2 WEEKS TO DECIDE. DO YOUR STUDY AND LOOK FOR FACTS. REMEMBER AND THIS IS FACT-ALTICE DONT HAVE ANY CONTRACTORS READY FOR SUMMER RUSH BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CHEAP. SO THEY LIKE IT OR NOT WILL HAVE TO STAY WITH IN-HOUSE. 35% OF TECHNICIANS ARE GONE AND WORK LOAD IS NOT LIGHTER( HAMPTONS) SO THEY CAN CRY BUT WILL HAVE TO SPEND FOR OT TO MAKE ALL HIGH PAYING COSTUMERS HAPPY. AND IM TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS A MONTH FOR EACH MANSION. SO JUST LIKE I SAID IM NOT WORRY BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL LEARN THAT GOOD TECHS ARE NEEDED. IN THIS COMPANY EVEN WITH DOLAN WE HAD EXTREMELY LAZY AND STUPID TECHS THAT MAKING SAME MONEY AND DOING HALF OF WORK BECAUSE SUPERVISORS WERE AFFRAID TO SEND THEM TO MORE DIFFICULT JOBS- FORGET ABOUT STIP OR OV4B. IN SOME PART IM HAPPY THAT ALL THOSE GUYS WILL BE GONE. TIRED OF CLEANING AFTER IDI---TS. LONG STORY SHORT IM WAITING FOR OFFICIAL PAPERS, THEN LETS SEE. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY WITH NASTY COMMENTS BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY MY POINT OF VIEW. KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL, AND NO IM NOT MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU AND LETS HOPE FOR THE BEST. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY FIR NOW

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Post ID: @1huu+LKYOpCk

They want you to think you are a w2 employee, and you will be for a few months. After that you will be a contractor. It really is a well thought out plan in their defense. And if it works the whole industry will move in this direction.think about it, they won't pay salaries, no sick, vacation time, no benefits. Of course you can take time off, you just won't be paid for it

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Post ID: @1uad+LKYOpCk

My only problem with this post is everyone going over to ATS is going to be a w2 employee. What's with all the contractor talk?

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Post ID: @has+LKYOpCk

The Bronx Technicians already voted for Altice. 113 techs believe that Dexter, Barry, & Hilber have their best interests in mind.There's no more hope for the Bronx...... we cannot organize again until 2018.

Today, they started having meetings providing more details concerning ATS.

We know they will continue to dress it up and make it seem like ATS is the best option for us.

We're not buying what they're selling. period.

Perhaps other shops around the footprint will break thru.

Oakland seem like they're ready + several LI shops are organizing right now.

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Post ID: @hsb+LKYOpCk

Amazing post my friend

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