What about supporting those among us who already pursued STEM and did well, but do not know if we will or will not be employed for the long haul ? Why this double standards?
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In exactly 10 years from now, these graduates will come to this board to start grumbling about the non-availability of jobs and jobs being given only to 'fresh grads'! I had 4 offers when I graduated too.
STEM PAYS REALLY WELL...
New Graduates, 2016, Bachelors Degree
| Company | Annual Base Salary | Annual Stock/Stipend | Signing Bonus | First Year Total Comp w/out Bonus | First Year Total Comp with Bonus |
|---------------|--------------------|----------------------|---------------|-----------------------------------|----------------------------------|
| Facebook | 107,000 | 37,500 | 87,500 | 232,000 | 357,000 |
| Snapchat | 120,000 | 80,000 | 20,000 | 220,000 | 320,000 |
| Google | 112,000 | 40,000 | 35,000 | 187,000 | 262,000 |
| Twitter | 120,000 | 37,500 | 18,500 | 176,000 | 232,000 |
| Microsoft | 107,000 | 22,500 | 35,000 | 164,500 | 222,000 |
| LinkedIn | 120,000 | 37,500 | 10,000 | 167,500 | 215,000 |
| Amazon | 103,000 | 16,200 | 39,000 | 158,200 | 213,400 |
| Yelp | 110,000 | 30,000 | 20,000 | 160,000 | 210,000 |
| Apple | 110,000 | 12,500 | 25,000 | 147,500 | 185,000 |
| Uber | 110,000 | 37,500 | 0 | 147,500 | 185,000 |
| Bloomberg | 130,000 | 0 | 0 | 130,000 | 130,000 |
| Goldman Sachs | 85,000 | 0 | 10,000 | 95,000 | 105,000 |
Source Survey Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Km9bsx0SWPDiOPMYvremSDujyS5sF0ZQvbxr5S52wSA/edit#gid=1801472043
Source:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/05/heres-how-much-new-grads-will-make-at-companies-like-facebook-and-google-in-2017.html
Kathleen Elkins, CNBC, @kathleen_elk
And who will give us the salary to support our kids and pay the insurance and medical bills?
On the postive side, some of you "older" former engineers can mentor or teach math or science to kids. There is a big need there. A big need to give (and I hate this term), lower social economic kids a chance to get a good education and a good job.
Image helping a kid improve his algebra skills...improving his self confidence.
You're right. Many of the hdd engineers I worked with years ago are now VP's because they got into management asap. I loved electronics and didn't care to manage anyone.
Buddy, I do know what you mean. However, pretend you spend 2 years in learning the next "new thing". Do you really think the Apples and Googles are going to consider hiring any of us beyond 40s? The STEM jobs are all given to fresh grads and those under 5-7 years of experience. I bet most of the hiring managers themselves would have failed the interviews even when they were under 7 years of experience in their careers. Beyond 7 years, just try and form buddies in the org to move on to a management role (product, project, program management) or engineering management. And you can get to decide which engineers to keep and which ones to fire, while earning in 6 or 7 figures.
I am an older guy in laid off April 15. I need new skills because I was too pigeonholed at WD. Jeez most people were/are. So now I see these cool jobs for interns that I'd love to do just to learn even though my pay would be a third of what it was. That's better than the zero it is now. But I don't have a shot. This isn't a WD thing it is everywhere. Its great if you have a kid you want to get a headstart working for a Fortune 500 employer but s---s if you have to make insurance payments that deplete all your future retirement money and you can't get a job because you don't meet generic current day requirements. If a job search is to take 2 years we are doomed because new software and the next Agile/Lean/whaterever will come and we will be clueless.