Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Career guide for all non-URM (White/Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern) male engineers

Career guide for all non-URM (White/Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern) male engineers:

50: If you are above 50, you are counting your last days at work. Your job can go away anytime and will go away in near future. All the reasons provided below apply even more to you. Cut down your expenses, don’t get into doing any big purchases, plan retirement, look into creating small streams of side incomes, take care of your health. Be mentally prepared for walking out anytime. Get rid of any emotional ties you may have with the workplace and people at workplace, and be assured that you and your work will be forgotten in no time.

<50: If you are in your early forties, you may still have a chance of finding something more stable outside. Start looking for job outside aggressively, even if you have to take a pay-cut, it may be worthwhile. You may find something more stable, and more fulfilling. Besides, it is very likely that you will learn some other skills, get experience, and make contacts that would be more valuable if you have to/decide to change again. If you are in mid to late forties, you are rushing dangerously close to the dead-end. Avoid all big expenses, put money aside for kid's education, make all financial decisions with an awareness that job might go away and finding new job may not be easy. If kids are still younger, seriously consider moving to a place where job opportunities are plenty. Depending on your skills, age and health, you may have one last chance to switch.

<40: Don’t be fooled by your current situation, which may look rosy because of a recent promotion, raise etc. Your salability is high, you have high energy and kids are very young so take the advantage and move into more dynamic job and location, where you can jump from job to job easily. Any more experience in this place would become liability in the environment where workers get blamed for management mistakes. Earlier you move, better for you and your family. URM survey report says that URM 2020 goals are at risk and more so at higher grade levels. Pressure to hire only URM is already there, but going forward, there will be lot more pressure to promote URMs. So there will be fewer and fewer growth opportunities. The chances of merit based advancement would be much less than being sidelined unfairly because of your race, sex and age.

<30: You are young and have entire career in front of you. Plan to get out of Semiconductor field altogether. If you want to stick around for a while, focus on doing only jobs that would give good experience to land a good opportunity outside. Remember one thing: Anything that can be outsourced, will be outsourced. People on this board talk about H1B, but outsourcing is a much bigger problem and no politician is going to stop this loss of American jobs. Consolidation in the industry is already happening and only few big players will be left in a few years. At that time, it will be extremely difficult to find a decent job here. No new startups are happening in semi, with Moore's Law coming to an end, there will be no reason to build new fabs. Companies will have small design teams in India and China and Asian foundries will churn out cheap chips. This will be a dead industry soon, so do yourself a favor by planning to switch. Also, take this as your moral duty to educate engineers younger than you about these facts.

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This is one of the most useful post and responses on this board.

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Post ID: @2ibp+ILIj3jJ

I'm 50 and found a lot of companies really still value Intel skills.

My advice to people at Intel, GET OUT NOW. The reason is obvious, intel good times are over, yeah they still are the big boy in town, with big profits, but the situation is more than precarious.

When the whole thing implodes the number of intel engineers, manages and such will flood the world job market. When the flood happens only those that are very well connected or have great reputation can score a job, the others will be without pay and nothing to support their family.

So think this thru Intelers.. be prepared for the big storm coming as everything is rotten at the moment. The strategy is wrong, the next generation technology in shambles, management is paralyzed and incapable of charting a new direction.

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Post ID: @klg+ILIj3jJ

I don't know. I'm in software. And I've been pretty lucky for the past 20 years of my career, I've never been laid off. Then again, I stay current, and hop around roughly every 3-4 years. My last company I was at was the longest at 6 years. I've recently joined a smaller company, less than a year ago. My total compensation never went down. It might have stayed flat the year I moved sometimes, but in all, I've been over $200k/year for awhile($170k salary, $25 bonus, $30-40k stock vesting/year... It's not great, but I work at a smaller company, and I don't work in the Bay Area, but in a lower cost part of CA...I'm told if I relocated to the office in the bay area, there would roughly be a 20-25% bump in just relocation, but even so, it wouldn't make up for the difference in cost of living. There was a period of time I was making more than that at another software company, but I was bored to tears, because that company did financial software. I'm just a lowly senior software engineer, I don't manage people (though, at least at my current company, the structure is very flat. I'm told I should get promoted to staff at the 1 year mark, and probably will see a 10-15% bump in comps...) My last raise was around 4% salary, 10% bonus, and 25% stock grants, vested over 4 years. Seems pretty standard package, comparing notes to others in other companies.

If there's any limitation, I have to admit it would be me and my old age at 41... I don't have the desire to stay long hours, and while I enjoy engineering and designing, I must admit, in my older age, I like spending more time with my kids and in my race car.

If there's any advice I'd offer it's that when you're doing well earning a decent compensation, save and invest it as much as you can. Most of my net worth has grown not from salary, but on subsequent appreciation on rental properties and stock/index funds/bonds and even precious metals that I bought for my kids. The problem is that when your AGI hits around $200k+ (and if your spouse makes just as much as you because she is software professional too), is that you are really taxed to the max on an salaried paycheck. Uncle sam and CA state will end up taking around 35-40%. There are much more efficient ways of earning income once you have reasonable pot of money that can be invested. Also, if one of you gets laid off, it then just becomes a pride thing, not a financial struggle thing.

Also, take advantage with as many tax-advantaged things as possible. My kids don't need to worry about college, because their 529 account has done well. I've only put about $36k into it when they were first born, and 10 years later, by doing absolutely nothing but just dripping $100/month to their account, it's well over $85k...By the time the go to college, I'm hoping each account will have around $200k, and leftover from one account, I can transfer to the other kid and my nephew if there's anything left over. None of it will be subject to capital gains taxes.

If you own your own and bought at a good time, try buying more than one, and take advantage of the $250k (or $500k) capital gains exclusion from the sale of your primary home. And move from one house to another every two years if you can handle that. There's so many variables elsewhere once you move beyond a salaried paycheck.

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Post ID: @hlc+ILIj3jJ

Nice job stating the facts, OP! Semiconductors, once thriving, now dying thanks to people like Ahmed and Krzanich

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