Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Fix US school system instead of blaming H1B. Forget Silicon Valley without immigrants.

US heavily relies on foreigners for advanced skills, it has nothing to do with lowering the wages.

The problem is known since decades.

Over 50% of US Ph.D. are foreign born and you wonder why you got so many foreigners at Intel?

Problem is not only advanced education, even general education level is pretty low compared to Asia and Europe.

I met only few US students during my Engineering study (in Europe), their cultural level was way lower than the German, French, Italians, Indian peers. Don't even talk about knowledge of foreign languages, history, geography, economics, etc.

Immigrants are a symptom, not the problem.

The real problem is the low quality (in average) of your schools.

For the smarter of you, shocking statistics here (rather old, trend is clear)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_born_scientists_and_engineers_in_the_United_States

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60% of the top science students and 65 percent of the top math students in the United States are the children of immigrants. In addition, foreign-born high school students make up 50 percent of the 2004 U.S.Math Olympiad’s top scorers, 38 percent of the U.S. Physics Team, and 25 percent of the Intel Science Talent Search finalists—the United States’ most prestigious awards for young scientists and mathematicians.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-witte/nobel-laureates_b_2458128.html

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Going back to the very first U.S. Nobel Prize in 1906, 30 percent of all U.S. Nobel laureates were foreign-born. This is an average, however, in some decades the percentages are even higher. In the 1980s, it was 35 percent, and in the 1950s, 39 percent. Moreover, these percentages greatly exceed the proportion of foreign-born persons in the U.S. population.

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The real problem is Democrats, social re-engineering, unions, money, lazy twit youth. Let's face it, the day people stopped spanking their children for misbehaving was the day you gave into all this crap going on.

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Post ID: @agh+IKrwLAA

It's not exactly that, globalization has been around for some time; whatever the reason, affected people can not be happy when you target a particular class....if globalization is the excuse, this could be done also for doctors, attorneys, hairdressers, accountants, etc,....but it ain't gonna happen because most of these professions have strong professional organizations, not like the joke of IEEE or other engineering societies...as for Europe things are not exactly the same, it's not so easy to unload/replace people yet.

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Post ID: @mpm+IKrwLAA

Hey @ywf

this is called globalization... Same here in Europe.

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Post ID: @xfi+IKrwLAA

The discussion is not about the contributions from immigrants, it's about the particular policy (H1B). All the data and statistics provided by the OP and others are meaningless as long as companies replace workers with temps for half the cost.....very few get green cards. It's not even competition, as some say, it's a race to the bottom....check out sites like visadoor, etc., and see salaries offered, etc...

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Post ID: @ywf+IKrwLAA

@qqy you're spot on!

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Post ID: @ewh+IKrwLAA

All I got to say is this:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/21/intel-lays-off-12k-looking-import-11600-foreign-workers-since-2010/

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Post ID: @qty+IKrwLAA

the haters see this post as : " the immigrants are taking over. Let's stop them by building walls. That's the only way we can stop this take over of our science and tech fields". They don't change anyway. Why even waste effort to educate them on topics like this.

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Post ID: @vyh+IKrwLAA

US born are just lazy, especially the stereotypical white mail overeight who drinks beer, eats hamburger / fires and loves sports...

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Post ID: @obq+IKrwLAA

This is what is great about the USA! For the last century there is a reason that thru it all USA has been the most desirable place to live!

Even with the great opportunities in the Far East you find most prefer to live in the US for their children though the money is there!

China is a good example, the rich still want out, yes they stay to make money. But every country where they don't have a robust and open immigration has issue. Look at Japan and most of Europe as well China in two decades.

Immigrants welcoming with open arms and enabling them to try and be the best to get the best is what makes America Great.

Now if we could only get someone that was actually smart to run this company instead of CRB/PSO/BK types we'd have a chance.

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Post ID: @qqy+IKrwLAA

Andy got a Ph.D. in chemical engineering in 1963.

25 years later 80% of post doc are immigrants...

From the Wikipedia article:

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80% of total post-doctoral chemical and materials engineering in the United States are foreign-born (1988).[4]

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Post ID: @xkc+IKrwLAA

Amen.

Andy Grove was an immigrant....

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