One of my students told me last week that the Everest Campuses in South Orlando, Brandon, and Pompano were placed on probation by our accreditor (ACICS).
How does a student here about this before faculty and staff?
What does this mean for our jobs?
Is this another catalyst for more layoffs/RIFs?
Yes, I'm already applying elsewhere and have been for some time. Unfortunately, finding a new job rarely seems to happen quickly...
I'm teaching graduates to use the a--hole charge more often, especially when a customer has a degree or title attached to their name. Remember this statement when you get your BMW repaired. I hope these misguided students who have no more education than that of a high school student charge you extra. At least, they'll be intelligent enough to count your money when they make their daily bank deposits. Just because you know what the latest best selling book is, listed in the NY Times, doesn't mean you're smarter than anybody else. The public education system in America is a joke: or do you not take your own advice and check the facts? Americans are stupid enough to think our education system is doing well, when in fact, it is not. I'm going to laugh every time I think of some dirty-faced kid with a wrench in his hand that charges your publicly educated graduates $150.00 per/hr labor. You believe that because a public university is supported by tax dollars, that somehow it is better regulated and without faults? Wow, now that's ignorant! P.S., CCi was the biggest bunch of lying thieves that ever existed...stupid, wealthy, university educated a--holes. Why are they not in jail? Somebody's friend in Washington?
Trade schools are needed, plumbing, hvac, auto repair and the like. The problem starts when these schools try and be something they are not. When they claim to be universities and offer degrees other than associate degrees that's where the problem lies. WyoTech was a great trade school years ago, then CCi bought them out and turned it into a cash register. 15 years ago you could get a great education and lifetime job placement for $15,000. Now it costs over 30k for a mediocre education. Students get a better education at a high school auto shop class for free and more and more employers are hiring directly from those vo-tech schools.
2zuw, Are you serious right now? The fact you allegedly possess a doctorate's makes your ignorance even more baffling. The more you write the more evident your ignorance is. Community Colleges (formerly known as junior colleges) by design were establish to cater to the exact same population you mock at tech colleges. You need to research some facts and stop creating false ones. SMH..
2zuw here. I strongly believe that there is a major place for "technical colleges" Those that teach a trade, i.e. welding, auto mechanic, plumbing, electrical, etc. We need those and they will be in shortage in the future. It's for profit schools that try and give academic degrees I have a problem with. They don't have the same standards as even Community Colleges and the degree is mostly worthless. If they stuck to trade degrees that would be great, when they try to pass on academic degrees, they fail. ps I actually have a doctorate, all 3 were state universities. I'm not a snob, just stating facts so poor students stop getting ripped off. We need to wake up, the for profit schools exist to make money from loans and government payments. They are a vehicle to redistribute wealth in origin.
People with their noses in the air that believe that public education (university level) is any better than technological schools need to get a grip on reality. We have have a school librarian with a masters degree in library science who wouldn't be able to breath if it were not for having a primitive brain. I have spoken with law professors who were unable to unclog their kitchen drain. So, if you believe that a public university is producing a nation of genius level students, think again. Fifty percent of university students can't tell you who their daddy is, let alone build a house, or repair an automobile. You're a sanctimonious bunch of a--holes. Go fix your own damn sewer, if you're so goddamn intelligent.
2zuw, you are very ignorant. I suppose you believe community colleges are a godsend??? Their credits transfer but less than 20% of the average CC population graduate. There are more low income americans attending CC and frauding the government of Title IV just like for profits. I am not even defending for profits but your comments are ignorance and half truths. You probably attended a CC or probably don't have a degree from a major university, lol..
right on.....I feel like its a philosophy question: do we raise the education standard by offering these schools or are we just lowering it by ensuring these school succeed? Education in America sucks but I blame parents, various socioeconomic factors, ect.
I know this because Zenith Education Group is a partnership between ECMC and the federal Dept. of Education. Dave was made aware of the next phase by the government to take out most of the remaining for-profit schools by refusing to accept ACICS as an accrediting body for title IV funding. This will also bring ACCSC under the power of the DOE for total control over which career schools receive accreditation and which ones don't. This is all about government control over education that started with Obama's first action of the government taking over the student loan industry. Next was the government attacks on the for-profit career education industry. Now they are into the next phase by dismantling the career college accrediting industry and bringing it all under control of the federal DOE. They have already taken over K-12 education with in implementation of federally mandated Common Core curriculum in our public schools. Blame who you want for the failure of the career college industry, but with ALL career colleges on the brink of failure it can't be just a coincidence or that all the executives running these companies are failures. There is one common reason all these schools are close to disappearing, it's government take over.
Most of these for profit schools have shady accreditation. They just get together and form accreditation boards that let them say they are "accredited." What good is an accreditation if classes don't transfer to real schools. That's the real test of an accreditation. If the classes can't transfer to a real state college then the accreditation is just fake. Most for profit schools can't transfer classes to real colleges, which in my mind makes them a ripoff and why the government doesn't put a stop to it just boggles my mind. It is such a ripoff. The diploma's are worthless pieces of paper, that is why so many of the graduates don't go on to find good jobs in their field. Everyone knows it, but those that cheer lead for the schools like some of the female AD's that are worthless and just mindlessly keep cheer leading. The rest just ignore the big elephant in the room. They need to make all colleges meet the accreditation standards of state colleges and flunk those that shouldn't be in college. We pass uneducated welfare slugs and expect the degree to mean something. I know I'll get someone to defend the college, but we all know what is really happening. Many for profit just prey on the uneducated welfare slugs to get the federal money for profit, no more no less.
And you know this BECAUSE???
Zenith was made aware of the forthcoming investigation by the DOE last year, that's the reason for the switch to accsc. The feds wont take down ACICS until all the Zenith schools get switched to ACCSC.
It is a REAL shame when we continue to enroll students without the guarantee that when they graduate we will be accredited.
Pompano is in a teach mode. Full teach out leads to closing in a number of months. Nothing to do with ACICS.
I believe everything I read on this board and I definitely believe everything students say.
If you are an employee in said campus, then you would have been told this well over 8 weeks ago. Why do you think Brandon and Pompano are closing? I'd bet this is part of the reason. Continue to look for employment.
I don't think ACICS will completely be gone. It would be yet, another nightmare for the Dept. of Ed. Because of the amount of loans that would need to be forgiven.
Furthermore, it was originally show-cause but ACICS came back and said probation meaning the school (online is the reason for all of this. The campuses each hit and or exceeded their benchmark for years) will have to show considerable improvement with placement and retention.
May have something to do with zenith switching school accreditation from ACICS to ACCSC
http://www.zenith.org/transparency-center/
Accreditation change
In an effort to streamline the accreditation process, we are transitioning our schools to be accredited by one organization—the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges (ACCSC). Under the current Zenith structure, our schools are accredited by ACCSC and the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS).
This transition, currently in process and to be fully completed by March 2017, will create efficiencies and provide a greater opportunity for compliance by having one set of accrediting standards governing our schools.
ACICS has been a valuable partner for us and we are thankful for their continued support. We look forward to continuing to work with ACCSC, which is focused on schools with short-term and diploma programs, and the best match for our current programs and future program development efforts.
New "leaders" enrolling without proof of graduation, not completing requirements for funding and incomplete enrollment agreements.
You definitely need to move on as quickly as you can. It's all over the news. The ACICS will even end up getting shut down themselves.