Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

VSP/ISP won't be enough to drive innovation in new or existing areas

During one of the open forums a question was asked about why we containing to actively to hire RCG even though large cuts are being made. The response was that we need fresh ideas from institutions teaching and researching the latest trends. This may be true but many of these great new methods/ideas will never make it far. They get rejected by the general direction of leadership that want to just follow their old 'BKM' even though its not the actual general industry current BKM/what is being taught at tier 1 schools. There are some FLM that recognize this but its even hard for them to push for any change needed.

Recently a RCG was discussing this with other peers. Why done we follow x practice? Why don't we hire people to fill role Y? Many other successful companies are doing it. The response is we just don't do things that way. I imagine they are frustrated at first but then eventually get numbed to to and follow the herd.

Part of the issue is that we don't have upper management that is pushing to incorporate new trends and processes into the system. They also don't have the background to be incorporating these ideas. In the past management did have this direction. I see old documentation and could tell things were being better managed and there was better overall direction. This no longer exists and there have been a lot more issues/roadblocks that have come up that didn't use to exist.

They get outside experts for the very very top, but middle/upper management is not hiring from the outside and garbing diverse experience from the outside. We just train RCG up with the old ways of doing things and fresh ideas never make their way up.

This may not be the case for all groups/ but I see this happening in some core groups.

They could really use an initiative like 'Bring the outside in' and not build entire departments by just training RCG and need to hire people with industry experience with some different perspectives and allow them to drive some much needed change.

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Post ID: @OP+HHu2W0h

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Intel is in the business of hiring cheap RCG and H1B slave labor.

They are not hiring the brightest, smartest RCGs from tier1 institutions. Those are going to better companies.

Sad, but true. This is not the 90s anymore.

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Post ID: @3Bjke+HHu2W0h

Am I the only one feeling like a slave here?

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Post ID: @3Becu+HHu2W0h

RCG value is they are cheap, energetic and can be fooled into working 100 hours weeks for a few career. They don't now what can't be done, can be trained to be good obedient followers. Of course they also are bright eyed and can offer new prospective. Has anyone really seen RCG with a "WOW" moment, or more often than not, "OMG what a STUPID IDEA"

Experienced people of course come with baggage of their past, things that work, and a bias of what didn't work. But isn't that why you interview them carefully and if you hire them the expectation is that their experience mattered. Look at silicon valley or the startups, how many are fresh RCG, and if they are what is the first thing many do? What did Google do, FB do, hire experienced veterans.

Intel is in need of a right hand turn, actually several right hand turns. BK the BS from SJ State.. sorry he may be hard working but that says a little right there. He had the balls to bring in some outsider, but is he smart enough to identify their good ideas from their stupid,. Let's be hones we need a brilliant leader and a brilliant lieutenants as well In the history of war and business there is NO case of a company succeeding in such a dire situation as intel without brilliance at the top and having some of it down the line in the lieutenants helps, but having brilliant lieutenants with a figure head at the top leads to the lieutenants all positioning for the top job and becomes politics and turf battles. That is what we had with CRB, PSO, and now BK. Every since Andy left this company has gone downhill riding the x86 monopoly but that is all ending as Moore's Law comes to an end!

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Post ID: @yek+HHu2W0h

You under estimate the wisdom of millennials. ;-) (sarcasm smiley)

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Post ID: @rmt+HHu2W0h

I knew of an rcg that had a great idea and was eventually implemented. Unfortunately he left Intel 1 month after proposing it.

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Post ID: @rfz+HHu2W0h

Agree with @HHu2W0h-aci

RCG's don't know jack. They have the potential to learn -- from the experiences people.

The line that they bring in new research and new ideas is simply a lie. A lie to support ageism. Any experienced engineer that is keeping up his technical skills will already know the new research and new ideas. Intel, however, had powerful antibodies that seek and destroy new ideas introduced into the Intel body. An experienced engineer knows how to minimize contact with these antibodies to get things done.

The true, valid reason Intel hires a steady supply of RCGs is so that Intel doesn't get kicked off college campuses. If you go interview at colleges, but never hire anyone from the college, the college won't let you come back. You're just wasting everyone's time.

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Post ID: @jpv+HHu2W0h

"Outside experienced people are a threat to the people that are comfortable with just doing things the same old way."

Yes - we had 75%+ turnover of experienced external hires in my group (including me). What a giant waste!

Recent College Grads are clay for Intel to mold and many of the people in Intel leadership positions know nothing else than working at Intel. This lack of external experience not only results in lack of perspective but also hostility and fear of outsiders. It's a toxic stew of ignorance and insecurity.

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Post ID: @dcz+HHu2W0h

Non H1B new hires that run into this and are treated like they are newbies easily move on to places that can recognize their potential. Instead of upper management driving change than can lead to being more efficient, they prefer to hire H1B which can't just walk up and leave as easily. While this may help attrition rates its not viable for long term success.

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Post ID: @itv+HHu2W0h

I've seen some good RCG's, but rarely have I heard one say something new or something that older people haven't been saying for years. I don't see the difference in who says it when it always falls on deaf ears, so I reject that as a reason why RCG's are better. Yes, they're good at pointing out the bleedingly obvious. But so is everybody else, and when anybody does so they run into the wall that OP nicely spells out.

Saying that an RCG can improve processes better than someone with experience is lying to yourself. Most RCG's come in with an undergrad degree so they haven't done any major research and Java schools most certainly aren't teaching the "latest trends". So RCG's know only the academia/classroom world and have very little practical experience. Yes, they do have their amazing ideas, like trying to port an embedded power controller to run Python.

Teams need a mix of all skill and experience levels. Right now we're leaning more and more towards RCG's and the lack of oversight and mentoring is starting to show. This is the wrong direction and it's costing quality and productivity.

The "change" OP thinks we need should be coming from the top, think CEO down to VP/Fellow level. If you think we need outside opinions then the higher ups should be looking there, but nobody at the bottom is going to drive any kind of major change. That's not "old school Intel process" talking, that's common sense. And listening to RCG's gets us into things like drones, BMX stunt bikes, and reality TV shows. Maybe you think those are breakthrough events for the company, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Post ID: @zoq+HHu2W0h

Exactly!! While cleaning up some VSP/ISP their should be drive to hire outside experienced people, not just filling up on more RCG as if that's the only way to get new ideas. Outside experienced people are a threat to the people that are comfortable with just doing things the same old way.

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Post ID: @ome+HHu2W0h

OP, your (desperate) resistance to accept The Reality is futile. Nothing will change in INTEL, since 99% FLMs and SLM, are top management asskissers, do NOT want any changes. Since it means 70% of them should go away.

Sorry, game over. Please, try again later!

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Post ID: @xlv+HHu2W0h

RCG's with new and fresh ideas? LMFAO!!!! What a load of bull! What ideas are these newbies coming up with -- how to successfully blog like a SJW? Intel is shooting itself in the foot letting go of lots of good, experienced workers. Newbies may be full of piss and vinegar -- and ideas (most of them bad or not well thought out) . But they don't have experience. Who is the idiot 'leader' who made this response?

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Post ID: @aci+HHu2W0h

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