Any names of someone good to talk to before signing
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Just because a company has to layoff thousands doesn't mean they have to be fair in doing so....and if you think so...no wonder you got a package. LOL
As an attorney reading this site. I put my money on the person who wants to get an attorney. Layoffs are 9/10 not handled as they should. Get an attorney to look over your package and review your performance evals.
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Curious what you think could have been handled better? What would you have done differently?
What's another HR skill besides sitting around all day reading the Layoff?
That explains a lot !
from the looks of it HR took out their administrative people
Idiotic. Think about it? Oh I have for several days now since experiencing their lack of skill. A legit HR professional department worth their level of salary and employment SHOULD have experience in handling the unexpected layoff or they should have hired for it! Think about it - It would be like an engineer having never experiencing a dry hole or technical problem with a well - you learn from all experiences and grow as a professional for it. Only a still employed fantasy land APC clone who's drank the APC koolaid would be proud to have such an unskilled HR department.
I'm sure they'll learn from this and get it right in the next round.
Hence smart HR leadership would have flagged it as an unique situation that current in house HR staff lacks experience and resources to deal with such a large number of people laid off at one time. Appropriate action would have been to plan, plan, plan, and bring in temp HR contractors, experienced in downsizing, to handle a tragic situation to keep it from becoming a worse experience for those 1000+ effected.
Really? Mad because HR does not have solid experience in mass layoffs? I am actually happy they don't have that experience - because if they did - it's because they layoff all the time. Think about it.
HR was hit as well from what I can tell. Everyone took a hit and must move on.
The leadership in HR is abismal The people they kept is reflective of it Probably not a single person in that department has ever done a downsizing of this size - and we are living with the results. Shame on the Al Bobby and Bob for allowing that department to get in the shape it's in.
As usual HR is unprepared, has no system in place, and struggling with the released employees' requets. They had forgotten was real work was like and failed to staff up accordingly. Maybe they can call up the managers that did the dismissals to come in and help since there is no work going on. Don't expect resolve on some pay-outs and insurance until April.
From the looks of it - our HR laid off all its admins and saved the higher paid - so there sure as hell won't get anything done now! lol. Idiots.
Why you.. btw, what exactly is HR work? Curious since no one has actually seen it.
Could be. Maybe. Probably. Okay okay. You got me. But I can't have my layoffs backfire. I might have to actually work instead of bullshitting on the internets.
Wait a minute, is this my HR manager?
Not looking to sue for minority
Just wanted severance reviewed by an attorney before signing. Wondering if anyone had a name or someone to review it that was good.
Not necessary to sue
Waste of time consulting an attorney, expect for the minority issue. Everyone likes a BS case to inflame and race bait.
So thankful to be severed, why sue, for what? I walked out the door with 73 weeks of pay, vested stock and a great deal on medical insurance. Thank you APC, can't pretend to understand the choices that were made. Just hollering WHOOP.
I haven't signed the documents yet. I agree with "3xhi" above. I was a manager and understand the extremely open rating system that was used - Not only the 9-block system, but also the elusive tier 1-2-3-4 system that was purely a function of local leadership. You may have been A2, A1 or E1. but what "tier were in you in? "Regretable leaver or not?". Minorities in my group were eliminated - Women, Jewish, Hispanic, African-American....all minorities were laid-off. Maybe they truly regretted our diversity.
I am seeking legal input. Read up. Selection criteria for the layoff has to be maintained by the company and can be challenged. Heard of class actions folks? I've seen more blatant discrimination in the last few years at APC - than ever before. Our HR and legal groups are staffed with idiots now. So you arrogant APCers that tell people to sign and not get some advice - wait until your package is delivered next. Karma is a bitch.
If it was fair you wouldn't get packages signing off your right to pursue legal action, you would have been evaluated in education, skills and experience by an unbiased HR rep along with your yearly review results and not a deadbeat manager that has somehow lingered. You would have been allowed to defend your case and challenged any misrepresentation. But that did not happen.
That's a valid point. The question should be raised as to how the people, who were performing at or above the levels of their peers, ended up making the list. I saw a lot of older people, others who managers didn't "favor" as much, and little to no minorities included as a common theme to those who were let go.
Imagine having you were singled out for disposal for unknown reasons even though you performed better than your peers, then you were judged and found guilty in absence and without representation and afterwards expected to accept a wad of cash in your time of uncertainty and despair to sign away all your rights for a half a year of monetary support. Where is the fairness in this process and why was HR awol?
Good. The replies have evolved from pure bullshit to pure dismissiveness. At least you have stopped pretending to answer the question.
Oh shut up and move on already. Consulting an attorney? Really?? It's a downturn in the economy and millions are affected. Take your awesome severence package and stop looking for something or someone to sue.
Employment at will is a fact. That you can be fired for no reason is a fact. It is not correct that you can be fired for any reason. It is not correct that layoffs can disproportionately affect persons of protected status. You are ignorant.
It's a fact.
Last reply is partially correct like what you would learn from TV or in a bar but incomplete and ignorant.
They can terminate you for no reason whatsoever. Also they do not need to pay any severance. You're going nowhere with that. Best to move-on.
And what do you expect to get by not signing??
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