Thread regarding Zenith Education Group layoffs

It's all just pretend anyway. Why worry?

Bad grammar? "I set a timer" lol. There is no way that you are FTF.

You can always call your students, they don't say you can't. Also, I too thought the grading was too time consuming, then I set a timer I realized it wasn't nearly as long as I thought, not out of a 40 hour work week. FTF

The company should make all the money! The employees should take what they're given without question. God bless America! P.S. I like my Xanax! Thinking of getting the full lobotomy next month.

128: we like our teachers. We just don't like whining teachers who want to be university professors.

OP there are Everest and WyoTech instructors out here that are worried about our jobs because we have declining student population and you come on here whining because you feel you have TOO MANY STUDENTS, really? You are so upset because you feel you have to work harder than a university professor. You should resign and save the job of another instructor who's not afraid of work.

128 your post makes absolutely no sense.

OP: I try to understand your post before I make my comment. You are crying because finally you have to work. You do know that you can resign any time you want to. I think is best for you to get out and try to find another employer that you can work 20 hours and get paid for 40. Good luck with that!

109 is right!!

120 are you an online instructor?

I think some folks on here just hate teachers. Whats up with that? These are some bitter mofos on here. Its not there fault we are laid off. I liked the teachers I met

062: I don't know what "6*3.33 hours" means, but if you are quality faculty you are working in the classroom much much more than 20 hours per week for three 6 week classes. It takes 20 hours or more just to grade the 150 weekly assignments with any individuality or quality. We spend many more hours responding to student emails, interacting on the discussion boards in a meaningful way, conducting outreach and tutoring activities to students (including calls that can sometimes be an hour to each student), creating course materials, professional development activities/presentations/meetings. This is not in any way a "complaint." I love what I do and I do it well, but it would be helpful to students if faculty had more time to speak with students individually via phone. Many need more of our help. If you're not a teacher, you clearly have a misconception of the time it takes to do what we do. Don't criticize what you don't understand. If you are a teacher, it seems that you are a poor one.

Quit bitching about having a job. My God some of the people in this country are the biggest cry babies in the world. Everything has to be just perfect for them or they cry and whine. Like 062 said, your in class only 20 hours per week leaving 20 hours to pamper and baby your students. If they need more pampering than that they should go back to day care. Oh I forgot, Zenith Education is nothing more than an adult day care center.

872: I am sure you are missing the point too. Here are some numbers that I hope will help you. If you are teaching 6 classes you are in class 6*3.33 hours per week. That is usually equal to 19.98 hours per week. You have 20 hours free per week to help your students. Stop whining and teach. 20 hours in class is part time work!

831: I'm sorry to hear that adjuncts are not getting more classes. I've been there! I hope that the class loads are better balanced in future terms with FTF receiving a balanced load and adjuncts receiving more classes. This would be good for the students!

366/546: Of course it’s horrible that so many faculty were RIFed, and of course it could happen to any of us. Doesn’t that go without saying? You’re missing the fundamental point of the original post. Salaries, RIFs, etc. are footnotes to the fact that the instructors who are still here have real students in our classes who deserve to get a decent education, which requires instructors to spend time with them. I don’t feel bad for wanting that for our students.

Zenith will be outsourcing instructor jobs to little Chinese kids starting in January. Get your resumes ready folks.

I would rather have a University T.A. teach my kids than the instructors at Everest.....

As an adjunct, I would like more classes. But the AD's won't give them to you. You must be a fulltime faculty.

472 wins

And by the way, you are NOT a professor you are an instructor so quit trying to compare yourself to a professor.

This is 366 and I am an instructor and you my friend are a dipshit. As I stated if you are unhappy, go work somewhere else. Whining and bitching about having too much work when over a thousand others have been left go makes you sound like an idiot. Complaining about not getting paid enough when many others with a lot more seniority than you are now living on unemployment and paying for their own high cost Obamacare proves you are self centered. Take a look around and you will see that many others have been RIFed and you just may be next. If you don't like the water, get the f*** out of the pool.

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189/366: Actually, do a little research on community college professors. They are paid on nearly the same salary schedule as university professors and usually have "only" a Master's Degree. Our students are the same as many community college students.

I see that you have no respect for educators who work outside of the 4 year university system. I also see that you have no respect for me as faculty and what I do to educate students in a difficult environment.

As I said before, I'm only interested in feedback from faculty, or from those who understand and support education and the rights of faculty and students. I'm fairly certain that you don't fall into these categories.

Correction, most of us won't have any classes soon.

203, what you don't seem to understand is we are working for a career school, NOT a university. You must be new to the career school industry because you are trying to compare apples to oranges. Let me put it this way, if you want the work load and compensation of a professor go work for the University of Miami. You sound like a plumber working for Joe's Plumbing and Heating complaining that he should be paid the same as a union plumber. Besides, none of us won't have any classes soon.

203: This is 189. You are trying to compare yourself with university professors. When you get your PhD degree and do meaningful research then you can work at a place that you can earn more money and teach less classes. For now teach your 6 classes and be happy you have a shitty job. If not, get the hell out.

995/003: Thank you for your feedback! Do you know any information about accreditation and contact hours? I am concerned for both students and faculty. I want to be able to help my students to the degree that I could before.

125: I am arguing for the very thing that you have asked me to do: "the ability to do my job," which is having more time to help students. Helping students takes time, which we want more of so that we can "do our job."

189: It's clear that you don't understand the complexity of education, course loads, or what this entails. An average college FT instructor teaches 8-10 classes per year and gets paid an average of about $72K with a 10 month contract (2 months off). At our school, we were teaching 16 classes per year at about $50K, significantly less salary with only a few long weekends as "vacation," and now are teaching 24 classes per year at $50K. That is roughly $2K per class which is similar to an adjunct salary (which are far too low as well). FTF also have additional responsibilities such as tutoring, meetings, committees, curriculum revision and professional development outside of the classroom. This increase is not good for faculty or students.

I would prefer to hear feedback about course load from other faculty or those with some working knowledge of academics.

You should have 6 classes to start with, unless you are adjunct. Four classes is a joke for a full time instructor. Shame on your Dean who allowed you to get paid full time salary with part time hours.

125 may have been a bit crass, but his/her point is on target. Fewer faculty with more classes is the new standard. The next evolutionary step is teach out, which will ensure employment for a few faulty members for a few months. Conclusion: It will get worse before it gets better, and soon it will disappear all together.

It will get worse after the next round of RIFs. You people will whine about everything. It's too hard I can't get it all done. Wipe the tears from your eyes, put on your adult diaper and do your f***ing jobs.

Let your concerns be known through the employee hotline. I guarantee you that no one above the PD level knows about this.

Same at our campus. We have instructors going way over their contact hours. We have instructors working 12-16 hours, 5 days a week-with no break. The students are suffering because of it! And for what? A minor profit. The school could lose their accreditation for this! You aren't alone.