Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything our India folks, but given the price advantage does it even make any sense to continue to crank out code here in the States. Seriously, we've been under so much pressure here, constant layoffs, I mean, just ship everything to India and close the shop. I do not have any other solution, and everything seems to be pointing in that direction. So we shipped our manufacturing to China, our coding to India, I guess all what we have left are service jobs in department stores, supermarkets and restaurants. It'll be an economy where everyone is working for 10 bucks an hour. It's not an HP issue, it's a greater issue that affects all of America. Again, I have nothing to say against India, I know there are quality issues but they seem to manage and people seem to continue buying their services, so I guess price/quality ratio is OK
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I've worked with some fantastic best shore teams. They are eager, smart and happy to have good jobs, off course like anywhere, some are not very good. The biggest issue I've noticed with best shore people is that they won't speak up when they notice an issue and do not stray from a plan if last minute innovation is required. Why? Most likely they are lead by obtuse managers who limit their flexibility. India is an up and coming economic super power and will surpass China. Which is a good thing because India is a democracy, largest in the world. Unfortunately as salaries increase with the economy, Indian employees will also be vulnerable to best shoring. Probably to a Chinese sweat shop staffed by 14 - 18 year olds who cannot leave the facility. The global economy is exciting, and their is still money to be made, but I feel that things could look pretty ugly in about 50 years.
All this was caused by first world consumers wanting to pay bottom of the barrel pricing instead of paying for quality. The consumer market drives the overall economy
little by little Indian folks dominating the world, have you seen a company right now the their is no Indian involves especially in the big company, one great example is that they are cheating on us in regards of technology the main server would be in india, then they will tell us that they are receiving same productivity to us but not true (manipulation of system) second if you let one indian in a company by next year 3x the numbers and so on, not only that they have a position in a company not just a regular basic employee. most of the higher position in hp are indian not only hp but most of the company as i applied on different company from the time that i been part of the retrenchment. this is to wake us up we are still in a war and that is business war and we are loosing to indian, they are winning the war and we are not noticing it.
It all depends how you look at it, if you are in India, things are all good, good pay, good work, etc. It only affects onshore US folks as the relative and inflation wages keep dropping while everything else we buy is getting more expensive
" a race to the bottom" - that kind of sums it up. the costs will be dropping, the quality will be dropping. no gripes about india, but the fact is, quality drops once you ship things offshore
Consumers have been taught that the bottom line price is the only thing that matters and the old saying "you get what you pay for" shows through in our trade where this is concerned. HP so desires to be the Walmart or McDonalds of technology products and services and it shows. Public companies and their greedy leadership and shareholders are always on a race to the bottom to drive down cost to maximize their return. Those leaders get their bonus and move on to destroy another company. This is the same story at every large public company in the past several decades, it's generally tolerated socially and it attracts the same type of sociopath management to lead said company into that decent. We are just seeing the down side of the slope right before the crash and burn. How about our colleagues in the Helion Public Cloud division? Six months ago, this was the touted saving grace of HP. Cloud this, Cloud that and so on and 24 hours ago HP leadership decided to can that endeavor. Good financial idea? I have no idea, but I do know that it has repercussions for those affected HP colleagues and their families. Our company leaders party and show pictures of their exploits while "Rome burns" and we continue to be loyal while watching. What will fix this is real innovation, modest acquisitions, educated risk taking rather than a WAG, rewarding your devoted employees and a change in the "cheap is always good" mentality and culture within this corporate structure. One thing that every company has in common is its reliance on customers to spend money with them. Change in our current predicament starts where we spend our money and who we teach this same concept to.
All of us at HP have been beaten down by bankrupt morale and failed leadership. I am not so certain that being WFR'd will be such a bad thing after all. Have some confidence in yourselves and do not continue to feel like HP is the only place that would find your skills worthy.
Best wishes and good fortune to you!
Let's have Trump stop that stupid H1B program./ That's all what I am asking for. That's such a scam.