Can anyone tell me how the various schools can claim to have programs in place that don't reasonably accommodate or provide adequate learning resources for a conscientious student to actually graduate and qualify for employment. The Colorado incident was just one example of misrepresentation of services.How many others are there? This is a primary example to explain why there is so much animus towards this organization. People do everything right and still get screwed. To pay premium prices for sub-par services is reprehensible. And then they call them allegations when you point out the serious flaws boardering on fraud in the scheme. The audacity of these so-called campus presidents and chancellors is really beyond belief. I will never cease to be amazed how easily these people can be dismissive of wrong doing when presented with an inconvient truth. And now they will just go out of business. Talk about poetic injustice. Comments welcome.
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So long story short: deceived and adjudicated as being deceptive. What a great school. Be proud Argosy!
I like a good rant as much as the next person, but the Colorado AG's thing had to do with whether students in an EDD program could get licsenced as psychologists, not with whether the program itself was accredited. I suppose if the program had been accredited, licensure would have been a non-issue, but that wasn't what the students were upset about.
- Look you smug jerk. A lot more astute and sophisticated folks than you have been taken for a ride in this world so sit back in the lazy boy, shut the hell up and don't pass judgement. Your sister, mother, brother, friend or grandparents could be next to be f***ed over so cut the shit.
I'm amazed at folks that believe some simpering individual on the other end of a phone and don't do their own research. Not a shill for the school, just scratching my head on the buyer beware mentality that doesn't exist. So....I have some oceanfront property in south Dakota for sale...call me...you sound like easy prey.
Don't forget Diane Feinstein's husband who is on the Board of U. Phoenix's parent, Apollo Education....
Besides Goldman Sachs and Todd S. Nelson, don't forget Olympia Snowe's husband (and former EDMC CEO) John McKernan......................http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54444.html............................................... http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/8589-bipartisan-political-elite-implicated-in-for-profit-education-fraud#
Thanks LatinnlovinArgosyAtlanta,your words provide validation, they mean a lot to me and I'm sure many others.
Colorado incident: two bit crooks promise forthright students that their PhD program in psycholgy would be accredited by American Psychological Association. Despite being promised it would be, it wasn't. Students left high and dry having to pay back lots of money. School doesn't give a flying f as if to say you trusted me you idiot bastard, too bad. Students feel that they've been deceived because they have. Students ask for money back saying school lead them on and misrepresented services. School asks for clarification regarding allegations of deception against school. School as usual plays dumb like they don't get what students are saying because it involves being honorable and that is against school rules. School says bite me I stole your money fair snd square and by the way could you tell me what your allegations are again? Students say I've already explained my problem to five different people including a fat white guy and a shady guy who wears cuff links. I've even told my instructors who don't give a flying crap either. Then the fat one said I don't understand what you want, could you put that in writing? I said this whole thing is a little frustrating so after they told me there was no way to get my money back because it was already spent on Cuban cigars, thousand dollar whores and single malt scotch I knew I was being screwed to pay for the failed hair plugs that Lloyd Blankfein spent at hair club for men. So to make long story a little longer when I couldn't find a single soul who gave a f I went home and open up a big can of dog food and went to town. Oh yeah, then I went to attorney general's office in Colorado who sued the school who still said they were pure as the driven snow. I know this was another lie because I was hip to them by now having been the victimized by sociopaths. Well instead of admitting wrong doing because this would put the wammy on duping the stups, they hired high priced liars sorry I mean lawyers who would help them prolong the issue so people would forget and they could spin the problem of fraud onto something like aggravated post menstrual stress or or something. Well they must have spent a lot more money on lawyers trying to defend themselves against being snivelling liars then they ever would just telling us the truth from the beginnig which we would of understood but I later found out that was against policy and very much prohibited in policy manual. Would have been too easy I guess. So then they had to pay small fine of about 3.3 million dollars and give back big time PhD credit money to f***ed over students. The end.
Anonymous 136364: In the end (just whose is not clear) the answer is money changes dirty hands. It is quite a trail of dirty hands. The APSCU which has played a number of roles in this is a good place to begin the study. It unabashedly lobbies and makes clear that it pays fees, gratuities and of course campaign contributions. It is one of many bodies in motion. Perhaps the telling item is that the industry is inbred. In part because for profit schools may be the only place many of these types can find work --so an ICDC is composed of throw a ways from Corinthian and Everest and EDMC. Those schools are composed of throw aways often from schools that have been shuttered, and on and on...
Suppose one were to take a senior admissions person say from AU Atlanta, one would find that previous to EDMC they had a lackluster sales career--this is a cookie cutter sale especially if the salesperson is waiving veiled incentives and a big minority come on. Eventually the cycle comes to an end, the school is investigated or worse and the person moves to another school. So you hear a great deal of chatter about people like Todd Nelson. How Nelson escaped criminal action is beyond most of us, but most of us don't donate enormous sums to campaigns, have other criminal types in their debt and perhaps more importantly donate vast amounts of money to the Mormon church. So a Nelson will disappear from an Aplollo only to show up at EDMC and now show up at CECO.
That is not an explanation just a very thin slice of the pie. Writers such as David Halperin who pursue this sector full time find it stunning the the companies appear to flaunt these acts and the amount of money they gain.
So where else does the money go? Well organizations and leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, La Raza and LULAC all have an immediate stake in this opposition--these schools would not be able to keep their doors open if it were not for minorities and veterans. Occasionally the schools will throw a bone to the veteran issues, but the other organizations appear to not be interested in this at all..... Curious that they will fall all over themselves and nearly bankrupt their budget to waste time trailing a buffoon like Donald Trump but to try to stop millions of the population they are supposed to protect and not a peep.
These are where the bigger bucks go--they are the constituency that needs to be stiffed. Pay these guys and a Senator goes for cheap.
So this is not much of an explanation, again. It does however open the door for your own investigation. But sub par education is very very polite--some of these courses and EDMC trumps the field have no relevance of value at all. So one can take a course in Forensic Psychology at the masters level and when studying victimology be graded on how well he/she puts together a brochure for a clinic. That class may be taught by Alan J Klein who barely maintained his license in New York and spends most of his time between being wrecked and hanging out at AA in Peoria, AZ. So there is no such thing as a masters level psychologist--it is a doctoral world and the rest is fairly obvious...
Its a start but it is a filthy business and one can understand why people have rather deeply held convictions about the value of these schools.
Sounds like a couple of douche bags here. Someone asks a question and the dipshits come out. You two must be management. What's wrong with a decent answer? Dumbasses.
370 Google EDMC Colorado Argosy. You got a lot of reading to do. Any questions feel free.
Anonymous 136370 gee like dude, like you know ever heard of Corinthian like you know man
What is the Colorado incident and who is going out of business? I get that EDMC should and may (at some point), but is there something that happened?