So i recently graduated from the Medical Assisting program, had a very awesome teacher who put her heart and soul into everything she did. When i enrolled in the program my admissions rep said that i could apply to the RN program at the local valley college. at the end of my program, i was talking to my instructor on how to apply for the RN program. Well, she broke it down and basically told me what i should have been told from the start. That nothing i did would transfer to any school whatsoever, and basically i have to start from the bottom. how can they get away with lying to us? i just dont get it??? how is this legal??? can someone please explain?
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Well, there have been some interesting responses. There are some very mean comments stated on here... Not sure if they are former students\teachers or current students\teachers. Well I believe my instructor 100% over anyone on here. I hope all the less then helpful comments are ex-employees, because you are such a debbie downer... None the less, she was correct, I will have to start at the bottom, but will work and go to school... I hope all the debbie downers have been fired...
544: Thanks for bringing that up. I think we get a lot of people on here quick to believe anything that a "poor, misled student" says. Let's not pretend these are angels, honest and hard-working and pleasant people. Many of them are no such thing. I would estimate that at my campus, over half the students we have would make much, much worse admissions reps than what we have. Judging from the behavior I see in the classroom and with staff, I always consider the possibility that the student is just lying. ESPECIALLY if they have a motive. I don't think the OP is a student, though. Probably an instructor, judging from how she went to the trouble of making sure to portray us in such a good light. No student says "a very awesome teacher who put her heart and soul into everything she did."
Please don't think that I'm defending our illustrious Admissions colleagues, because most of them have the ethics of a sneering meth addict. However, I have heard them talking about MA vs RN and in every case they were very clear. MA is a 9-month program that gets a student an entry-level, but stable job in the field quickly. Then they can apply to a community college, usually be put on a waiting list, and start the 2-year RN program when they get to the top. I have to say at my campus I would have a hard time imagining any of our reps telling a student that MA credits would transfer to an RN program. They say a lot of really messed up stuff, and are blatant in maniputaing potential students (degrading them, etc, etc), but I think this is a student who wanted to hear something different. We all know we get those ("my financial aid person said that everything would be taken care of with free money!").
518: All the teachers at these crap schools are aware that the credits do not transfer. They try to not talk about it....or they close the doors so they can tell us what we should do...like what schools might work with us. The teachers know we are screwed, but it is a paycheck to them. Some try, some don't. Some care, some don't.
Only a pitiful instructor wouldn't know about transferring of credits and how it applies to Everest. We have degrees, we know the difference. There is however, a difference between knowing the answer and giving the answer to a student.
This sounds fake. In ten years of teaching, I've never offered student advice on whether or not they can transfer. I would not even know that information.
How does an instructor from one school know what credits another will take? This story sounds made up. I would not offer that information to students, since I have NO idea which credits transfer where.
Right, 463?
437, if you read OP post, I was specifically responding to the OP stating an instructor told OP that credits would not transfer to another school. I don't know how you misread that in any way.
They have let us down big time.
Admission folks are under tremendous pressure to achieve enrollment targets with a dwindling pool of prospective students in a dog eat dog competitive environment. This partially explains - but by no means excuses - the fact that they feel compelled to play fast and loose with the truth. The net result is a student population significantly comprised of less than capable students operating under false pretenses. The moderate percentage of students who are making a legitimate effort (showing up, doing the work on-time) have a right to be angry. They trusted us and, in many instances, we have let them down.
I had a upper management ask me (in regards to transferring credits to another school), "do you think all units would transfer from USC to another school?" I was beyond horrified when she said that, how dare she compare us to USC Students. It is all a game to them. They do not care. They are giving us horrible service and a lot of excuses to make up for it.
To 466:
Absolutely correct in all areas. I would had one more to the list of values: to instruct as an adjunct at a for profit school.
OP. Soon enough your school will close.
That's just another Everest College and "Some or all of your credits will transfer??" "Some!"
You can apply for the RN program - check out the Ontario Metro campus. Some or all of your credits will transfer.
Now the "Admin" types that attack will say "don't listen to your instructor" "didn't you check first" "its up to every individual school" " the formula is very complicated," etc. This is what I was saying in a recent post. The credits and most of the degrees won't transfer to real colleges from for profit schools. They can call names, deny, play semantics, but the truth is, the majority of these for profit schools have severe problems with their classes transferring. Their accreditation boards are questionable. Will an isolated college take a class or two, maybe and that's a big maybe. But the fact remains the classes are useless to transfer and I don't know why everyone can't see the truth. GO TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE if you can't afford a bigger actual college and put the effort into the degree. These Everest degrees do have a value, but mostly to government employees (for promotions and more money), for those who live off of loans and don't really care about college, Those that just can't get through a real college but the degree will give them confidence, and in some cases may open a door that wasn't open before etc. There is value, but don't fool yourself that the classes will transfer anywhere. Know what you are buying before you invest. Caveat Emptor!
Not a made up story, a common Corinthian problem we are all facing as students. Lies, deception, and false promises from the start. The reps all lie.
I think OP is laughing at a bunch of idiots responding to a made up story. You know, like 99% of the postings.
Totally unethical practice. The responsibility falls on the DOA and President of the school. The reps and DOA's are nothing but professional liars that consistently use unethical tactics to lure students in the school. Every time we come across an unethical practice, all the rep has to say is "I didn't say that" and he/she is automatically forgiven without any further questions. Part of the reason is because the DOA is involved with the unethical practices and they want the student comments to get squashed ASAP.
You can apply to an RN program. That is factually correct. You can apply to NASA to be an astronaut - here's the secret: you won't be accepted.
@417, your comment "You shouldn't listen to your instructor" is one of the most illogical statements I've ever heard. Instructors (particularly adjunct instructors who work full-time in the career field) are in a FAR better position to know what actually hiring trends and qualifications are for their respective field than an admissions rep. An admissions rep at a for-profit college has one focus: their "start numbers." That keeps them employed, and at some colleges determines their bonus pay. That is why there are a plethora of documentated cases of for-profit used car salesper... er, admissions reps caught in the act of lying to student applicants, because a student enrolled and sitting in class (any class) is a start number for them.
There is a very fine line between truth and deceit. This something that was/is the core of the CCI sales pitch. If the OP was told they could apply to nursing school that is technically correct. Being accepted is an entirely different conversation. I was a FA Advisor at Heald for two years. My continual objections to this sales tactic is what got me fired for insubordination. It is unethical and taking advantage of people who don't have the tools or resources to make an informed decision.
The admissions Representative told the OP her MA courses would somehow translate into RN courses. The instructor is the one who set the record straight. I disagree about the OP doing her due diligence. She thought she WAS doing her due diligence,talking to a school she/he was enrolled in and trusted. Just my two cents....
You shouldn't listen to your instructor. You need to verify this information. I'm sorry but you should have done your homework before you got your degree, if that was your goal. It would have been a quick phone call. Sorry, but don't blame the school because you didn't do your due diligence. And FYI, your instructor is paid to teach. She is not involved in the transfer process in any way. Why she would give you that advice is a mystery to me.
This sounds fishy. How would your instructor know? I have NO idea what credits other schools take, and I've been an instructor for 20 years. Also, why listen to your instructor? Go to the school you want to transfer to and talk to them. But, this doesn't sound real.
Cumdump is just a frustrated loser sitting around with nothing to do. He's an Obamacrat that thinks he knows what's best for everyone.
I think CK is always here. Nothing better to do. From previous threads he's convinced that every one of us are either (A) evil, or (B) needing to be saved by him from our exploitative work situation. Which are you? Me, I'm (C) None of the above.
camden Kid: Looks who's back. You're like a bad penny, aren't you?
by :( sad MA (MA graduate), you can file a claim with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). This sounds like criminal fraud and you can be eligible for restitution.
It's best to call first then send an email (and ultimately a certified letter)....... http://www.consumerfinance.gov/contact-us/.......The California Attorney General, Kamala Harris, also had a case against Corinthian Colleges. Legal information is here.........http://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/consumers_cii_faqs
That's why the school is bankrupt
Well, it's not legal