Thread regarding Ford layoffs

GM & Ford Are Struggling With EVs Again, But Why?

Certainly has nothing to do with:

  1. Laws of Physics. Gas/diesel is still king, when it comes to power density of a fuel.
  2. Lack of BEV infrastructure.
  3. High cost of ownership with BEVs.
  4. Range anxiety, safety, and reliability with BEV.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/08/24/gm-ford-are-struggling-with-evs-again-but-why/

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@1kqu+1ucPmsYK: I was talking with an industry expert on the EV ecosystem. He mentioned the transformer lifetime reduction. I can't remember it exactly, but it was something similar to dropping from 50 years to 3 years due to the evening charging cycles when they would normally be resting due to the reduced load. When the various industries for EVs came together and realized it wasn't sustainable, they all separated to their own corners. You will see each industry will be working for their own interest and pointing the finger at the other ones for their shortcomings.

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@3pbl+1ucPmsYK

If only we could make manual door locks that work…we’d have the millions of dollars that were wasted on the failed “canopy security” debacle trying to charge customers a monthly fee to keep their vehicles secure.

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Post ID: @3ohj+1ucPmsYK

Hint hint, next-gen Model e will put Tesla to shame.

Should I start holding my breath now?

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Post ID: @3mou+1ucPmsYK

BEV's are very successful if done correctly. The perfect example is Tesla. Period. Go look at the sales numbers for proof.

If the next-gen Model e BEV's are competitive to Tesla, high confidence Ford can win this game. Hint hint, next-gen Model e will put Tesla to shame.

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Post ID: @3ege+1ucPmsYK

@1kqu+1ucPmsYK

Couldn't we just trust the government to get all of the infrastructure in place to make it happen? i mean, they really care about us and the environment right?

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Post ID: @3owz+1ucPmsYK

And reduce cost by no longer adding all the unnecessary features....

Give me AC, cruise control and I'm good. I'd even be happy with crank windows and manual door locks.

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Post ID: @3pbl+1ucPmsYK

... Ford abandoned hybrids feeling they were a dead end instead of a step to EV...

Which is exactly why Farley and all of them need to go.

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Post ID: @3tsv+1ucPmsYK

@kou+1ucPmsYK

serious question, how much did that 90 minutes cost, if you were charging at a pay to fill location

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Post ID: @3jzc+1ucPmsYK

Why you ask?

If we don't go all BEV we will all die from the existential crisis...

As Greta said "how dare you?!"

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Post ID: @3coc+1ucPmsYK

BEV's are part of the same agenda as DEI... idealogy based but not realistic

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Post ID: @2wlr+1ucPmsYK

Beating the dead horse.

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Post ID: @1pfj+1ucPmsYK

A BEV world is impossible to achieve unless you are planning on a vehicular population half or a third the size of today's landscape. Energy. Convert the battery charging kWh required to get you around to BTUs. Multiply that by whatever population of cars you think we will have. Ask yourself where the coal, uranium or natural gas is going to come from to give you the energy needed? Don't stop at that simple first step, where are the hundreds of new power plants going to come from? Oops, keep noodling, how many miles of pipeline and or transmission lines will be needed to connect those new plants? Not done yet! Replace all of the transformers currently in service because they can't take the new high current duty cycle without a drastic decrease in service life. Yes these things are rated in years of service based on load profiles.

And when all of this happens what will a kW of electricity eventually cost? What will a ton of coal cost, what will a cubic foot of gas cost - when the demand for all of these finite resources go to the moon?

So don't ponder these realities and you can get behind "clean" energy. If you do ponder all of these knock on effects including the enormous mining, water use in refining, thermal runaway risks etc., you can't buy into this ideology.

If energy conservation is important, and I think it is, let's have an honest national discussion on how to get there. Rather than arcane nonsensical fits and starts pushed from top down to customers that are much smarter than you think.

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Post ID: @1kqu+1ucPmsYK

Ford and GM put most of their eggs in the EV basket. Ford more so. Ford abandoned hybrids feeling they were a dead end instead of a step to EV. Hybrids have smaller engines and a smaller batteries. OP, all of your points are addressed by hybrids.

And reduce cost by no longer adding all the unnecessary features to all programs…. No more things like video games in the sync screen.

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Post ID: @1xii+1ucPmsYK

EV resale value. How much will it cost to replace that big battery on a used EV?

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Post ID: @1zwj+1ucPmsYK

Inconvenience, purchase price, and insurance cost. And New home insurance asked if I owned an EV, e bike, e golf cart, e scooter. Rivian lost 50 trucks this past weekend due to fire. Didn’t learn through Fords mistake not to park them close in the lot. One goes then many go.

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Post ID: @1sza+1ucPmsYK

rented GM Bolt EV, takes 90 min to go from 20% to 98%, it is cheaper, but spending 90 min every day at the charging state, no thank you.

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