Any ETA on this? Thx
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You can only go for so long until you surrender. Call you a POS, claim you lack integrity, none of that is true. Don't fall for the superior / inferior guilt tactic. You didn't start the job with the intention of becoming mediocre.
This isn't a merit-based organization. Only a handful of big personalities are recognized. People do their best as they learn the rules of the game. Not a big personality? Become a toady or a faceless handmaiden in service to a big personality. Don't upstage them, become bland. Bland is giving the system what it asks, which isn't much.
Fulfill the requirement, collect your pay, and save the flavor or passion for other things.
Denigrating this dynamic is nothing more than a guilt trip and a display of toxic machismo. Guilt and shame are baked into that culture. Develop immunity to it.
There are many of us who were just under the arbitrary age requirement for the previous VRBP, even though we had more than enough decades of service. We are still employed, but are now too old to benefit from a possible IPO, if it eventually comes to pass. So we are sitting in the middle. Therefore, a VRBP would be a wonderful reward for service and an incentive for us to leave and make room for new people. Otherwise, we might as well just stay and keep plugging away. We are NOT entitled to a VRBP, but are also under no obligation to step aside so that there is room for new growth. It is a business decision.
"SAS will not do VRBPs anymore. Why should they when they can just layoff any time they want!"
I'm 50/50. Depending on how deep they want to cut, part of me thinks the good doctor might go with one more VRBP. After 40+ years of mostly being a benevolent owner, I doubt he wants to start doing large layoffs.
Will touch base with J on this if you let me know you're employee number
VRBP not VRBO.
VRBO is Vacation Rental By Owner.
VRBP is Voluntary Retirement Benefit Package.
SAS will not do VRBPs anymore. Why should they when they can just layoff any time they want!
Wow. The entitlement
Enrollment is open! Sign up at https://www.vrbo.com/#2024-sas-enrollment
A few good reasons to stay when you are not enjoying it...work life balance, health insurance cost, 401k match, ageism, skill atrophy, dream of VRBO, etc. If you are not happy in your job its pretty difficult to find a new job inside as most jobs are leveled and targeted towards younger workers.
@1axp+1tN3dQHB Honest question…. Why would you stay given everything you just said?
@1esc+1tN3dQHB you're assuming I worked in Cary...I did not.
There was no gym or pool or subsidies cafes, and I got paid well below market rates compared to other software vendors with no ability to have an actual stake in the company through RSU's like publicly listed companies. So why would I show loyalty?
I had to deal with toxic local management, had to sell SAS products that the company literally lied about in terms of being fit-for-purpose, found myself constantly having to fight back internally within SAS to do the right thing by it's customers, it became incredibly draining.
It became impossible to make the unrealistic sales targets because the products were cr-p and didn't work properly, were massively overpriced, were functionally uncompetitive, and you had to deal with a bunch of complete id--ts running what was then "Global Hosting" who made it utterly impossible to close business.
You reach a point where you throw your arms up in despair and quite simply give up the fight.
So spare me the holier-than-thou BS about "integrity", and "not being a parasite"...I tried really hard for many years, but the headwinds became stronger and stronger as time went by, and I make no apologies for feeling no loyalty to SAS.
“the why wouldn't one just milk it for all it's worth?“
- Integrity.
- Fulfilling the agreement you made to do a job
- Taking your share of work so that coworkers do have to shoulder the result of your slacking
- Not being a parasite
- Not being a sh-t human being
The list goes on and on
“SAS has no loyalty to its employees so why should employees feel loyal to SAS?”
Does the SAS paycheck not get deposited every month? Does you insurance premiums continue to be heavily covered? Do you get a gym/pool? Is your 401k funded? Do you have subsidised cafes with decent food? Have you been let go or did you work there forever?
Yeah SAS sure sounds unloyal. The company equivalent of not actually working would be to only get payrolls deposited every now and then as it saw fit.
Bet you wouldn’t say “Why wouldn’t they milk it” in that scenario
“ I did fu-k all in my last year as SAS but have no regrets.”
Kudos to you for being proud of being a pos.
If SAS is unable or unwilling to identify and fire those people who turn up to work and do fu-k all work and just wait for a VRBO, the why wouldn't one just milk it for all it's worth?
SAS has no loyalty to its employees so why should employees feel loyal to SAS?
I did fu-k all in my last year as SAS but have no regrets. The bordem eventually got to me, and I had 15 years productive work ahead of me, but if I had been 60, I would have stayed and continued to take the pi-s. Why not.
"Who said I’m not pushing 60? I’m close enough.
And there are many posts and responses that have an undercurrent of hating the company and the job.
He-l some even admitted to taking a paycheck but not really working."
Agree that not really working while collecting a paycheck is not an honorable thing to do. But cannot blame the age 60+ crowd for continuing to work at SAS, hoping for another VRBP (okay, full disclosure -- I am in that camp). Would kind of su-k to retire and 2 months later one is announced.
The 2021 one was announced in mid-August -- so there's that. Maybe it'll happen again!
I don't know about the rest of y'all supporting applications with few, if any customers, but I've been working on the most cutting edge technology and use cases the company's ever produced!
Now let's just set aside for a moment that many of the features you've spent years working on are now available in R for free. Let's also set aside the fact that educators and textbook authors are weaving free R lessons and technology into their curriculums. And last, but not least, let's forget about our lack of attention to customer issues and concerns. SAS is still where it's at!
I'm stoked about the injection of youth into the company and the future direction! This upcoming IPO will be awesome for all of us, RSU's or not!
If y'all don't like this message, and don't want to work hard and enthusiastically, then you should quit immediately and leave this fine organization post-haste! Your negativity is really ki-ling my mojo, man, and making it harder for me and the young'ns to focus on the next great thing!
Now that I've said my peace, let's celebrate! With cake!
If I lost my job, I'd have a new job before my head hit the pillow that night!
Y'all are ki-ling my mojo, man.
I want my
I want my
I want my VRBO!
@dlp+1tN3dQHB And there are even more private companies that don’t offer RSUs.
You all knew what you were signing up for. There have been numerous hot job markets through the years…
“ You just don't understand, do you? Perhaps if you were pushing 60 you would. And no one said anything about hating it.”
Who said I’m not pushing 60? I’m close enough.
And there are many posts and responses that have an undercurrent of hating the company and the job.
He-l some even admitted to taking a paycheck but not really working.
You won't believe what other pre-IPO tech companies provide employees to incentivize them to STAY and continue being productive through the IPO.
RSUs
And guess what else - they get them years ahead of the actual IPO. Stupid idea right? They should provide VRBOs instead so their most experienced people are paid to leave the company.
"Here we go again.
If you hate it so much leave and retire. Or get another job."
You just don't understand, do you? Perhaps if you were pushing 60 you would. And no one said anything about hating it.
I too would like to have an incentive to leave. But for the record, I plan on WORKING while I am being paid.
Here we go again.
If you hate it so much leave and retire. Or get another job.
Me tooooo...its the only reason I show up to work every day. Check that email...nothing, come back tomorrow.