Ford and now stellantis sending jobs to Brazil, Mexico, India. So long middle class.
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/stellantis-hiring-50000-engineers-in-brazil-and-india-instead-of-150000-ones-in-america/
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engineers at a cost of $150K
I’ve been in the automotive industry for a long time. Over 30 years. I’ve never seen a case yet where they were able to move an engineering responsibility to an LCC where they didn’t need at least 3 people to do the job of just 1 U.S staff. I don’t know why this is, really, because most of the U.S. staff is from these countries.
There are 146k UAW (3 OEM') with a company cost of around $100k each
I guestimate there are maybe 20k (3 OEM') engineers at a cost of $150K.
Moving engineering cost to these countries is insignificant.
Additionally, beginning in the late 90's all of the companies began moving lot of predictive modeling and CAD work to these countries.
Engineering functions the include "touching" the product cannot be easily moved.
this has been going on for 50 years.. outsourcing to LCC... not engineering, but everything else... from the clothes you are wearing to the candies you eat, to the TV you're watching. get over it. or go live in the woods.
And let's be honest, an excellent Engineer from India is rare but it's equivalent to a very average Engineer in the USA. Then add the lousy availability due to the time difference and it makes no logical sense to hire outside the US.
Cheaper is not better. How many times do we need to see poor quality reports before we get it?
Meanwhile they're invading our country by the millions, and now all of our jobs are going to the countries where the illegal aliens come from.
Keep voting for the democrats and your kids will live in a 3rd world country before long!
End the wokeness illness, End DEI!
Yea... Ford will layoff and downsize and move positions to survive.
Engineering a vehicle in a country that is not USA, will not take into account what the people in the USA want/need. They will design vehicles they like, not us. We can all make a statement by not buying them!!
🇺🇸Make America Great Again🇺🇸
Sounds great until you realize you need 2 of them to do the job of 1 person in America... and they still will lack the institutional knowledge they have in Auburn Hills.
Good Engineers are cheap compared to recalls.
This has been going on for years!!!
Now you realize? Lol
Americans have been asleep at the wheel for sometime!!!
re: @1znb+1skjHhx9
Why is your worthless management benchmarking this company then - out of ideas?
Amazing when someone losing $130k per vehicle is still making and marketing them thinking somehow they will make it up on volume, maybe it's time to just shut the doors.
Good time to grab a cold beer here on the weekend and laugh at yourselves!
The person making this comment is just reading the comment and pert of the 1-F team, so don't get your pa-ties all tied up.
If they put tariffs on manufactured products to protect American industries, then they need to put stiff tariffs on imports of "intellectual property" imports. This is a corporate welfare loophole.
Most of the engineers Ford hires now come from India, China, or various Middle Eastern countries. So they're thinking, instead of moving them here to work, let them work from their own countries.
By the way, they have to go into offices in those countries.
Any manager with any sense sees their information workers sitting at their desks all day logged into WebEx meetings. She would say, why spend all this money on desks, cleaning staff, maintenance workers, security, electricity, gas, water, and a building when all these people do is sit at their desks all day logged into WebEx?
The move to working remotely is just an economic reality and it really is unstoppable.
Ford had been expanding remote working for years before the COVID thing.
And it tried to move its electronics division engineering to Mexico probably 30 years ago. It was a disaster and they moved it back.
Yep, “we want to work from home, we are more productive!” Oh cr-p, if I can do my job remote, maybe some engineer in India or Brazil can do it too. Oops!
Along with Google. Maybe the autos can proudly say they started this trend before the tech companies.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/google-cuts-hundreds-of-core-workers-moves-jobs-to-india-mexico.html