There are two job postings for project manager. One is at the government of Alberta, and the other is with Enbridge. Pay is listed for GOA, and not for Enbridge. So not sure what Enbridge pays for a PM. Is one better than the other? Pros? cons? Thank you.
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One thing I used to admire about the ENB is that layoffs weren’t necessarily predicated on your status as a contractor or salaried employee.
Unfortunately, some great people have been laid off, but by far and large a lot of low performing parasitic types were exited.
Unfortunately, some low performing parasitic types remained and occupy Director and up positions.
I’m referencing early rounds of layoffs… Unfortunately, the rounds haven’t stopped and I’m not so sure what are used to admire is even present anymore.
Boy, do I miss the good old days.
“GoA pay is low, for context, my buddy is a CPA and works as a Manager, and he gets paid 97K.”
Sure but I had also seen lots of Managers in Enbridge got laid off. In GOA you can be incompetent but still keep your job.
“So tired of hearing that organizations don’t have the expertise any more and rely on contractors.”
GOA won’t attract high paid talents coz they pay way less than private.
"Like seriously - why did we buy these utilities? We are horrible are running utilities."
Because GE wants to be everyone's gasman! All he cares about is gas. Liquids may not be se-y, but its where the money is earned.
What I don't understand is why we dumped Alliance. Alliance just prints money and Pembina is laughing all the way to the bank. Way to go, GE, now you can lay off some more workers, seeing as that's all you seem capable of!
So tired of hearing that organizations don’t have the expertise any more and rely on contractors.
Maybe govt because Alberta politicians are literally bottom of the barrel facists.
Business whom so this - maybe you should enter or buy businesses you have no experience in. 9 times out of 10 these companies make a lackluster effort, then destroy businesses due to their incompetence.
Like seriously - why did we buy these utilities? We are horrible are running utilities.
Should just invest in oil
“Are you kidding me? A quick check on the intergoogle shows that GoA has 26 projects with a budget of more than $1B, totaling more than $138B.
Enbridge has managed some big, complex projects, but so has GoA.”
You are right but they are all executed by Contractors and not goa employees. Yes goa has way more bigger projects but they don’t keep employees or internal contractors who executes these projects, these are all vendors bcoz they don’t have the skills and experience internally. They don’t have anyone internally to do this, not even for complex IT projects. Besides if I am a project manager I will not work for goa coz I know I can make way more money in private. Yes goa has pension but if you’re a consistent high earner, you know how to manage your money and you’re ok with the grind you should be able to retire wealthy.
"The kind and complexity of projects in enbridge is not remotely comparable to goa “projects” especially if it involves construction of infrastructure. I don’t think there’s a project manager in goa that has the experience and skills to handle enbridge projects except maybe those small IT projects."
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Are you kidding me? A quick check on the intergoogle shows that GoA has 26 projects with a budget of more than $1B, totaling more than $138B.
Enbridge has managed some big, complex projects, but so has GoA.
https://majorprojects.alberta.ca/#history/
I think there is one major point that is not considered here when you talk about Project Management in goa vs enbridge. The kind and complexity of projects in enbridge is not remotely comparable to goa “projects” especially if it involves construction of infrastructure. I don’t think there’s a project manager in goa that has the experience and skills to handle enbridge projects except maybe those small IT projects.
So this is not really comparable on top of those already mentioned in this thread.
If your purpose is to make as much money as you can go for enbridge as a contract project manager, provided you have the skills, training and experience to be a highly paid contractor.
Make as much as you can, manage your money well and get out when things get toxic (as is the case in most units) or before you get laid off. When you work for enbridge always have a back up plan.
“GoA pay is low, for context, my buddy is a CPA and works as a Manager, and he gets paid 97K.”
This is low compared to enbridge but this is comparable to manager in smaller private companies. Not sure if you’re only looking at base pay but you also have to consider how toxic is the environment, frequency and possibility of layoffs.
If you want a good comparison you have to look at and compare it with say Trans Canada or Pembina or comparable size organizations like Suncor or any within O&G industry.
A lot of enbridge employees doesn’t really have much of a career, they got stuck and some of them just go to work just coz they need money and no motivation at all. Some even hate their job. Some are just contented where they are as it gives them steady income but even with that there’s no guarantee of employment until retirement. There’s no guarantee anywhere but in enbridge you’re more disposable.
Public sector pay is not comparable (not even competitive mostly but not on all
areas) to any large private corporations so do your research and one of the comments here outlines pros and cons.
You have to define or expand on “career”?
If you’re a project manager in ENB a lot of them are contractors and making way more than any government project managers. Not comparable at all. Also if you’re a contractor you’re in for the money mostly and that’s not really a career per se. And they can get laid off anytime with zero severance pay.
Now if you’re a an employee project manager in ENB there’s also no guarantee you can really make a career out of it, as I heard ENB staff are more disposable due to layoffs.
GOA pay range is not comparable to any large for profit private organizations.
GOA probably pays less BUT you have to consider the work is more like 36hrs per week compared to 40 hrs per week in ENB. You get one paid day off in ENB every month but still less working hours in total in GOA.
GOA has like 16 paid holidays in a year, ENB have less. When you start with GOA gives a standard 3 wks vacation same as ENB but new employees get an extra 1wk off in first year. GOA has also 3 days paid personal leave. Managers and above gets an extra week vacation to offset some extra work not paid, these are all public information.
GOA has some amount for Health Spending amount which is probably way higher than ENB. The group life/medical/dental coverage is good and you don’t pay a lot for those.
The pay range in GOA is has very wide pay range say someone can be a manager at $82 and someone else is making $110k. ENB is a for profit company (that’s why they adjust and make lots of layoffs) and government agencies exist for public service that’s why ENB has bonus and govt agencies don’t have bonuses except for some federal crown or provincial crown corporations that has its own revenues.
Pension in ENB is non contributory but there’s really no guarantee that you can actually “retire” in ENB due to layoffs though you can bring your pension commuted value. ENB pension fund value is over $1B but GOA has $17B as it has more members. Not unless it’s royally mismanaged it’s hard to bankrupt the $17B compared to $1B. Remember Enron and Sears, probably not comparable but there’s always a risk you’ll wake up one day with no pension.
Comparing ENB to GOA is like comparing apples to orange. Govt entities are run differently, they are considered to exist in perpetuity (like forever unless constitution change) and private companies can be subject to “going concern” or can actually go under.
GOA probably offers more stability and way less chances of layoff compared to ENB which had really not stopped doing layoffs since late 2015. These information are public and can be checked.
The pay range is always not comparable and should not be your only consideration and you have to choose your “cup of tea” and what are your goals and where are you in life.
Each organizations has their own issues, inefficiencies and culture so choose based on your own preferences.
Enbridge has also laid off one third of its workers in the last 9 years~3500 people
Where is the Project Manager role within ENB, what group, who’s the hiring manager, does it state? ENB pays well, but most groups/company in general is extremely dysfunctional based on many that you talk to/work with.
But has GoA laid off a third of their workers over the last 7 years?
GoA pay is low, for context, my buddy is a CPA and works as a Manager, and he gets paid 97K.
What’s the GoA pay?
Gov't of Alberta consistently pays less than industry averages. Definitely less than ENB for almost any role. They are not particularly competitive.