Thread regarding Optum layoffs

some info about WARN

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I am not a lawyer. I am not an expert on WARN. I asked ChatGPT. I thought I'd share what it said. This is not legal advice. Please seek a bar-certified lawyer for legal advice (not stuff you read on the Internet.)
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ME:
I work for a very large company with over 440,000 employees. this week, they laid off around 20,000 people across the organization in all divisions and across the world. should that have triggered the WARN Act?

CHATGPT:
The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act is a U.S. labor law that requires employers with 100 or more employees to provide 60 days advance notice of plant closings and mass layoffs under certain conditions. To determine if the WARN Act should have been triggered by your company's layoffs, here are the key points to consider:

Number of Employees: The WARN Act applies to businesses with 100 or more employees (excluding part-time workers). Your company, with over 440,000 employees, clearly meets this criterion.

Scope of Layoffs: Under the WARN Act, a mass layoff must involve either:
At least 500 employees at a single site of employment during a 30-day period; or
At least 50 employees which make up at least 33% of the workforce at a single site, during a 30-day period.

Plant Closing: A plant closing under the WARN Act is defined as the shutdown of a single site of employment, or one or more facilities or operating units within a single site of employment, if the shutdown results in an employment loss for 50 or more employees during a 30-day period.

Exemptions: There are exceptions where the 60-day notice might not be required, such as unforeseeable business circumstances, faltering companies, or natural disasters.
Given the scale of layoffs you mentioned—20,000 employees—it seems likely that the WARN Act requirements could apply, especially if the layoffs occurred at individual sites meeting the thresholds mentioned above. However, the specifics of how your company executed these layoffs (e.g., if the layoffs were spread thinly across many locations worldwide or concentrated at specific sites) would impact the applicability of the WARN Act.

If the layoffs were conducted in the U.S. and affected sites met the criteria, your company would typically be required to provide 60 days' notice or pay in lieu of notice. It's important for employees affected by such layoffs to consult with legal experts or contact the U.S. Department of Labor for guidance on whether their rights under the WARN Act were violated.

ME:
my company owns a dozen other smaller companies. if people were laid off from those smaller owned companies, would that count toward WARN, or no?

CHATGPT:
Yes, if your company owns multiple smaller companies, the layoffs from those entities can count towards the requirements of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act, under certain conditions. Here's how it works:

  1. Common Ownership: Under the WARN Act, the definition of an employer can include parent companies and subsidiaries, depending on the degree of control the parent company has over the subsidiary. If the parent company has operational control over the subsidiaries, or if the subsidiaries are essentially operating as divisions of the same enterprise, then they might be considered a single employer for the purposes of the WARN Act.
  1. Aggregate Layoffs: If a parent company and its subsidiaries lay off enough employees in aggregate to meet the WARN Act's thresholds, then the parent company may be required to provide notice. This is especially relevant if the total number of layoffs across all entities (including subsidiaries) reaches the thresholds of 500 employees, or 50 employees making up at least 33% of the workforce at a single site.
  1. Individual versus Combined Layoffs: Each individual layoff event at each subsidiary is evaluated to determine if it meets the criteria of a mass layoff or plant closing. However, if the subsidiaries are closely integrated with the parent company or with each other, their layoffs could be combined to determine if WARN notices are required.

Therefore, if the layoffs at the smaller owned companies combined with layoffs at other parts of the organization meet the WARN Act's thresholds, the total number of layoffs could indeed trigger the requirements of the WARN Act. It would be important for the corporate structure and the level of integration among the subsidiaries and the parent company to be considered in determining WARN Act applicability. If there's uncertainty or it's a complex case, legal consultation would be advisable to ensure compliance and understand all obligations under the law.

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Also if you are given severance packages they are exempt from WARN

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I am a lawyer, but not your lawyer. WARN act exempts employers from notice for WFH employees. As most optum employees are not tied to a physical office location, there is no requirement to comply with the WARN act.

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You have been warned
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/optum-undergoes-mass-layoffs-scale-unclear

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