Thread regarding Walgreens layoffs

The AI Train Wreck: Beginning to End

Hsiao convinced the board that Walgreens could become a cutting-edge AI company. It was a misguided effort: WBA is nowhere close to being able to do that for several reasons, and has more fundamental problems to solve anyway. But he managed to convince them, and WBA hired a bunch of skilled, earnest AI practitioners.

After Hsiao was fired the torch passed to Sheida. In fairness her mandate to "bring AI to Walgreens" was doomed, but she made things even worse; her leadership was absent/incompetent, and if she has any actual technical knowledge she never showed it. She haphazardly threw the AI people on random projects that were unrelated to their actual skills. And she would name-drop "Generative AI" in all the stupidest contexts; it was so cringe-worthy.

Eventually leadership figured out that they had a bunch of expensive AI people getting nothing done and called for layoffs. And maybe they were right to do that; Walgreens is not capable of doing AI work. But it seems they just trusted Sheida about who should be laid off, rather than making any effort to keep good people or find reasonable projects. There fired the good along with the bad, mostly people who had been there less than a year, and gave everybody a nice big black mark on their resume.

It seems to me that WBA uses the idea that "we are a pharmacy, saving lives and doing good" to paper over the fact that they are a really sh---y company. Especially to employees who had the naivete to try to improve things, rather than just cynically covering their own a-s.

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Post ID: @OP+1rg792uo

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April-end 2024, 40% of the remaining AI team will be cut. Hope y'all are interviewing!!

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Post ID: @vavm+1rg792uo

Anyone who says Hsiao was one of WBAs best leaders is simply clueless. I'll simply stop there. There's a saying that talks about a thousand xxxxx can't be wrong....you know the one. It applies here 100%. BUT remember, Roz ultimately led to the ruin of this company, Hsiao certainly helped, and the Board somehow slept through the last 2+ years......sad, and yes, criminal. Valerie, Jan, Ginger.......ALL need to go.........

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Post ID: @7hiw+1rg792uo

You guys are so stupid in asking who was the person that laid off the people. It had to be Neal Sample. Vipin Gogal is a dead-ender. He might be involved in some of this, but decision had to be coming from Neal Sample and It is not about funding either. Look, Neal Sample has been hiring VP/SVP like crazy. 1 VP = 10 engineers. You do the math. This thread is probably run by Neal Sample too. The root of it is that Neal Sample doesn’t understand technology.

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Post ID: @4ksn+1rg792uo

@1kpq+1rg792uo Totally agree! WBA is no tech giant. Build on top of Azure/AWS offerings. Especially given where we stand now, we can't put in a lot of cash into adventures like building a fancy AI team. We are a pharmacy at the end of the day.

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Post ID: @1yww+1rg792uo

@1nll+1rg792uo If what you say is correct, I would agree. But everything Hsiao and Sheida said and portrayed is about trying to build our own AI rather than solving real business problems. Maybe it is an optics problem. But we should be building on the shoulders of giants instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.

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Post ID: @1kpq+1rg792uo

There are many things wrong with the way the AI lab grew, and yes, there had to be a discussion of "build vs buy" and what makes sense for Walgreens (buy, imho). But also this idea that has been perpetuated (also mentioned in Ladd's article) that Walgreens was trying to build their own ChatGPT (or develop their own AI) is plainly wrong. That was never the case, and it would had been ridiculous, yes, if that was the case. What was happening was that the AI lab was using chatGPT/generative AI to build applications (like a chatbot) as many other (non-tech, non-fancy) companies do these days. There was probably not the infrastructure for that (much easier if you have AWS, for example), so these never went beyond the proof of concept phase. Also no one (?) checked if it would be easier to simply buy these applications. So overall, yes, maybe as a business strategy it was not the best to develop many AI applications in-house, but it was not a "ridiculous idea" or that we were "competing with Open AI" as mentioned.

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Post ID: @1nll+1rg792uo

This is a great place to have real conversations about the company. But you lose your credibility when you say the AI Train Wreck is on Neal or Tim. OP is correct, there's a bunch of expensive AI people that was hired on Hsiao's ridiculous premise that we could compete with Google or OpenAI by building our own ChatGPT. Whomever took over had no choice but to let some of those people walk to cut costs, even if those are good people. You can pin our current direction on Neal or Tim, but not the AI train wreck.

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Post ID: @1wpe+1rg792uo

WBA’s problems are mostly self inflicted. Chief among them is the extent of how third party consultants dominate this company. They control everything at WBA. The stock market is hitting record highs every day, yet WBA keeps hitting the lows. That means people out there really don’t have any confidence in this company or its management team. Neither Tim Wentworth nor Neal Sample nor other management has the ba--s to get controls back. My predication is stock at $10 or less in two years. Mark February 26, 2026. And both Tim and Neal out.

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Post ID: @fyl+1rg792uo

This appears to be Neal Sample’s talk-bad-about-Hsiao-and-get-promoted scheme or to re-direct attention away from his own problems. I don’t understand why a new CIO would spend this much time and effort talk down his predecessor who has actually moved the needle on many fronts for the ailing company. I have seen 6 CIOs at WBA, including Neal Sample. I find Hsiao the best one and Neal the most clueless (the others are OKs.) Hsiao is very decisive and smart and very clear on his mission to re-build engineering talent back at WBA. I even think WBA lost its only chance of survival now that he is no longer here. Hsiao is that good! A transformational leader. I first met with him at June barbecue in Chicago and spent some time chatting with him. He is one of the most genuine and authentic person I have ever met. He is not a fake like Neal Sample is. I hope one day to work for him again. Until then I look forward to finding out who the 7th CIO would be soon.

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Post ID: @pyb+1rg792uo

One can only hope Hsiao will never be employed in any IT capacity ever again. Horrible leader, horrible communicator, and leaves a trail of tears and carnage behind him every where he goes. His time at WAG only served to highlight just how terrible Roz was as a leader as well...she hired him and enabled his behavior knowing how horrible he was.....and WAG is still paying her. SMH....

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Post ID: @kqj+1rg792uo

I was part of the Ai team. I believe the AI team was one of the most productive and organized teams at WBA. It is a team of talent, dedication and results. Just unfortunate that Neal Sample got the job and i believe he intentionally broke the team because he is so intimidated by the technology.

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Post ID: @qcd+1rg792uo

The wreck is caused by Neal Sample who is so clueless.. The dude literally doesn’t know anything about technology, much less AI. Then he goes on to write about AI on LinkedIn. He thinks he is funny. What a fck!

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Post ID: @wod+1rg792uo

The fact that the Board bought into Hsiao's snake oil sales pitch tells you why this company is tanking. The entire board needs to be removed...they watched this fire burning and did nothing. Roz, Hsiao, Tracey......shameful...and some would say criminal.

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