Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

If only there were good engineers and engineering managers still at Boeing and leadership that actually understood and took their advice. But that ship sailed back in 2007:

https://www.rbogash.com/boeing_delay.html

https://www.rbogash.com/boeing_comments.html

Phil was deemed the conduit to the dark side... Also messed around with woman under him (pun intended) and had to leave for ethical reasons. Just another degenerate focused only on his personal welfare.

It has now become apparent from recent Boeing organizational dissolutions that Boeing is headed to breakup. So what happens to what is left at Boeing matters little. End days coming sooner than many realize.

I just hope the new leaders of our company took more than basket weaving majors in college. Always remember just because your educated doesn't mean you are smart:-)

Curious why Phil Condit's called Conduit?
Inside (or outside) joke?

I doubt there are any licensed Professional Engineers in Boeing anymore. I am certain a young engineer seeking a PE license would NOT be able to find the 5 PEs that are required to sign off on the 5 years of demonstrated engineering experience that is required before they are allowed to sit for State Board of PE exam. And as others have said, it would be very challenging to find work at Boeing that would even qualify as engineering work experience.

Conduit problem was he wanted to outsource the majority of the 787 program and sell Wichita to Onyx to fund the 787 program.

You have an entire generation of Aerospace workers who did not get significant experience because the majority of that program was done by suppliers like spirit, triumph, KHI, Alenia etc.

The idea was that they could recover their initial investment, even though the amount of money they would make on each airplane would be reduced overtime due to not being the primary parts fabricator for the airplane.

Now Instead, you have suppliers with more experienced than Boeing engineers with their particular processes. Now the companies completely dependent upon suppliers because they have the expertise. The suppliers are adding 45% to the cost of the parts for their investors. You will never make as much on an airplane when you outsource the majority of it not to mention you lose control of the schedule, and you no longer develop in house, expertise.

Conduit made some bad decisions, but at least he had the wisdom to know they needed a new airplane to compete.

The decision to do the 737 max instead of a clean sheet design is the worst decision by any Boeing CEO. They cannot sell these versus Airbus. When Airbus gets their production doubled, the sales of the 737 will continue to decline. That decision was the nail in the coffin.

The absurd amount of money that Jim McNerney was paid during his time as CEO for the worst mistake any CEO at Boeing has ever made is criminal. The guy acted more like a corporate raider than an actual CEO. Come in and sell everything you can lay off as many people as you can and give me the check. And ruin the future of the company and the process.

The more years of service you have as an engineer at Boeing, the more likely you are to be laid off.

No one stays at Boeing, who has other opportunities. They treat their older engineers with little respect.

When a company rewards loyalty and years of service with pink slips you can expect most people who can to leave.

The only incentive to stay was the guaranteed seniority based layoffs and the pension. They got rid of both of those for the engineers.

There’s very little engineering work to be done anyways since they want to send it all to the suppliers.

No... Actually, Boeing became doomed when Phil Conduit became CEO. He and his degenerate inbreeds advocated and started promoting non-engineers to engineering leadership positions. PE had to be removed from Boeing badges by people who earned that State premiere engineering license. A faux engineering engineering fraternity, selected by the non-engineer leadership, was formed. And these degenerate were d-mb enough to let MD buy Boeing with Boeing money and lead the new merged company. This long term cancer is why Boeing is doomed and can't be fixed to successfully compete with the far better companies now in existence.

The best line in this article is: At a minimum, though, Boeing would do well to remember that great engineering companies are run by engineers, not financiers.

And the truth shall set you free.