Thread regarding Citigroup Inc. / Citibank / Citi layoffs

Tech MD gotta go, SVP’s gotta go, VP’s gotta go……

There aren’t 20 thousand VPs and SVPs in the tech arena.

Citi wants 24x7 coverage on all things tech but does not want to staff for it, so they run lean already.

The true problem that they will run into is that:

a.) The tech sector has a very hard time filling roles. There’s a huge drop tech grads. The newer generations don’t want to bust their @ss to continually learning tech as it evolves and changes. Don’t get me wrong there are tech grads but no where near as many as there was 5 years ago. Microsoft\Google\Amazon who were swamped with tons of applicants, no longer are at all.

b.) The newer graduates don’t subscribe, nor should they, to the old way of thinking, the glorification of “to prove you’re a heavy hitter, you have to put in 60 hours per week”. Um….noper, not so much. If you’re going to work someone the equivalent hours of 2 jobs, then you need to pay them the equivalent of 2 salaries and the newer generations like me are not willing to do that.

c.) The newer generations have no inclination to stay somewhere forever. We like to move around. NOT move around in the company but move around to different companies and different states. So thinking “Ok, we hired Frank who has his tech degree and we’ve got him locked in for many years to come.” Um…not so much. Frank doesn’t mind being challenged but after a year, two at the most, Frank is hitting the road to go to somewhere else.

d.) The old thinking or hiring the one stop shop tech guy does not exist. MD and HR can’t seem to understand this. You’re not going to hire someone who’s an expert with extensive working knowledge of all things Windows, Unix, ansible, VMware architecture, coding in 4 languages, Azure, Intune, AWS etc….

Yes, 10 years ago it was easier to find some people who were technically deep in several different areas but that was then. Now, in all areas, complexity has compounded and you are not going to find “that tech guy” who’s an deep level expert in all areas.

Here’s the funny part, Citi has hired people who’ve talked a good game but in the end, did not meet anywhere the tech game that they sold in the interviews. It’s not that these people exist and you’re just not offering enough money to attract them, no, they just don’t exist. Those people in the past, 10+ years ago, who took pride in being “that tech guy” , got tired of the constant tech ramp up in all areas and no longer do that anymore. They picked AN area of expertise (single) and get paid doing that.

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Post ID: @OP+1qxMOCPV

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The problem with Citi is they don’t value the existing hardworking employees. The long standing employees here get paid waay lower than the new hires. The new hires are getting paid more than the experienced employees at Citi. That bring down the morale of the loyal employees and make them move to different companies or field's.

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Post ID: @1mui+1qxMOCPV

Spoke with my friend in Tech industry. They lack real talents too.
After covid, all the new college grads are working remotely. There is no guidance or proper mentoring for them.
Now they are turning towards experienced hires

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Post ID: @1hup+1qxMOCPV

For me it’s not a matter of being lazy its a matter of one’s prioritization vs Citi’s prioritization.

I want to work 40 hours per week - - - Citi has a problem with this as they want more.

I want to be paid a decent wage for my skills- - -Citi wants to pay rock bottom prices so that the CEO and CFO can get the maximum $.

It’s a game that Citi plays. How to get the absolute most out of the employees (fear, pressure, implied layoff “if you don’t measure up) while paying them the absolute least all the while selling to them that you are giving them the most, this is where HR comes in at I guess.

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Post ID: @ctf+1qxMOCPV

I am one of those "Tech Guys". Get to work, learn something on your own, make yourself useful, I am tired of carrying your dead weight.

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Post ID: @xdi+1qxMOCPV

As someone in tech for many years I can say for the past 20 years or so in the sector, all companies ask for ridiculous knowledge in 10-20 different tech specialties. Once you get in, you see these consulting companies completely taken over tech and bring batches and batches of engineers from India. I don’t see that slowing down and their rate of pushing out engineers not being sufficient. Whether they are qualified or not, it doesn’t matter, these companies sell these engineers as experts even if they might be completely entry level. Neither US govt nor companies are willing to invest and fix this issue but rather rely on H1B. While they think they can do that, nothing else will matter.

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Post ID: @oob+1qxMOCPV

Post ID: @bkp+1qxMOCPV: Ratio of average house price / average wage has reached 10-15 in some big cities compared to 3-4 some 40 years ago. Let's not blame the young as being lazy avocado toast eaters, ehm?

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Post ID: @tus+1qxMOCPV

OP here: The title “ Tech MD gotta go, SVP’s gotta go, VP’s gotta go……” is a sentiment that is wrong to think that way.

Its not necessarily a top heavy SVP\VP role issue as there are NOT that many of them to begin with. Those that you do have are given that title in order to pay them what they are worth. If you want to get rid of the titles, fix the pay scale to begin with and give them a different title.

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Post ID: @uip+1qxMOCPV

The younger generation has a different mindset.
To them work life balance out weighs money. Yes, money is important to them but they realize that what’s the point to make a lot of money if you don’t have the time to enjoy it.

They often feel duped when Citi sells to them “we emphasize work life balance its really important for over all mental health and well being”. They accept a position and are constantly called after hours or are given a ton of work with tight deadlines. They work for a while but after a year realizing that this is the norm, they move on to another company. Many of them are willing to take a pay cut in order to have more time to themselves.

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Post ID: @bkp+1qxMOCPV

Lot of MDs, Directors and SVPs in Risk Management should go too

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Post ID: @hzv+1qxMOCPV

I know several people who changed their major in college from tech to something else. They gave it a year or two and moved on. Just thinking about two of them, one was going the cybersecurity path, another one programming, the sentiment was the same.

“You never get caught up. Just as soon as you think you’re finished learning it, something has changed or newer and you have to start learning it all over again.”

Smart guys both of them, high SAT scores both with scholarships. They did some self reflection as they went and concluded that the work life balance just was not there so they went another route.

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Post ID: @zaa+1qxMOCPV

To the point and very well said. Congratulations!

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