I just can’t believe what I’m seeing right now. Hock managed to show the middle finger to everyone and get away with it. Everyone is just seeing the profits but nobody is seeing the long term growth hock tan is sacrificing for short term profit by pi----g his own customers off. This won’t work well in the long term. When people start moving off VMware because they’re pi---d at how hock just showed the middle finger to VMWare partners who been selling the software for years. maybe he will wake up then. Hock Tan is ruining employee moral firing everyone left and right while screwing partners telling them if they don’t make 500k a year you can’t sell my software. Giving his competitors free business. Nutanix CEO is literally laughing at all of us and Hock Tan as we speak right now. This is an absolute joke. I can’t wait for when AVGO finally finds a new ceo. When the core technology can be replaced. I would not chokehold my customer like this.
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If BC cannot deliver, it will hasten the evacuation of the ecosystem
And all that will remain will be a smaller ecosystem paying the hock man more money.
That IS THE PLAN.
Get with it or get out.
This won’t work well in the long term
It doesn’t need too. Once all the money has been su-ked out of VMware, on to the next acquisition to milk.
This is the biz model, one that takes a total A hole of a CEO, but one that has shown to be an investor’s dream.
VMware as you knew it is dead. Time to move on before the body decays and you get sick.
This discussion is almost as important as Tabs vs. Spaces
The point being that the company producing the original locks
Fu-k the analogies. Hock is a dictator. Do you think you can convince Kim Jong Un (or Trump) of anything?
Boo hoo - your precious team isn’t getting the respect it deserves. But on your big boy pants and find another job.
Times have changed.
VMware as you knew it is dead.
Move on.
Perhaps you post here because you are incapable of moving on?
“THAT team is irreplacable” Said the teams at:
Sun Microsystems
Hock Tan is the man. Hock Tan is bigger than Steven Segal. He's bigger than Sylvester Stallone. Bigger then Bruce Willis.
As for your bank lock analogy, what happens is a new better lock than yours will come
along and all banks will migrate to that one, leaving your lock, and you, obsolete.
OP. Yes, you are absolutely right on this. But, that wasn't the point. The point being that the company producing the original locks will be stuck -- that's all. The customers are the other end of the equation, and that wasn't the intent of the topic. If BC cannot deliver, it will hasten the evacuation of the ecosystem.
“THAT team is irreplacable”
Said the teams at:
Blockbuster, Blackberry, MySpace, Netscape, AOL, AltaVista, Yahoo, Xerox, Compaq, Kodak, Nokia, Polaroid, Palm, Iomega, Napster, 3dfx, Wang
Good Luck!
“ There is no hubris, there is only reality.”
Go on admit it, you’re the mayor from Jaws.
When actual reality (not the fictional one you believe in) comes and bites you in the ar$e and you find yourself irrelevant and out of work, maybe, just maybe, you’ll realise how arrogant and out of touch your statements are.
As for your bank lock analogy, what happens is a new better lock than yours will come along and all banks will migrate to that one, leaving your lock, and you, obsolete.
This is what VMware needs ... and deserves.
Let me introduce you to the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief
You are at stage 3
Let it go. You will arrive at stage 5 eventually, it is inevitable.
If you didn’t get a good retention offer for your “god like ability to write
critical code” you probably have an inflated ego and need a reality check.
I don't think you have good comprehension of whole situation, so your snide comments really carry little weight. Let me request you go read the original message about this and 'finding out'.
If you didn’t get a good retention offer for your “god like ability to write critical code” you probably have an inflated ego and need a reality check.
The Private Equity business model, like any other financial fad, will fade away.
Thanks Einstein. And how is your godly advice relevant to our current situation ?
Bend over like a PE bïtch or get the fück out.
The team is the mythical unobtanium.
Then I suggest you make your demands and if they are not met leave.
You won't be able to fix the vulnerabilities, or make any new necessary components.
Wanna bet?
Yes.
The team that knows how to do the work has the knowledge of the ingredients, the ratio of each, the ritual of the multi-step process to produce the component, the requisite experience to operate the forge, and ultimately test the purity of the result. Even the smallest impurity renders the lock ineffective. They've written nothing down for as long as the team has existed. The sum total of the knowledge is in their heads.
The team is the mythical unobtanium.
Sure, the team could be recreated over many, many years of a Diogenes-like search, and a 100 kings' ransoms. Do you believe that the search or payment will happen?
The Private Equity business model, like any other financial fad, will fade away.
Savvy growth-oriented investors will set the stage for ALL others. Give it time...
Don’t worry, the Pivots will save us all.
You won't be able to fix the vulnerabilities, or make any new necessary components.
Wanna bet?
“THAT team is irreplacable”
It’s exactly that sort of attitude, hubris and arrogance that results in a company
becoming irrelevant and overtaken by new competition or not responding to changing
You do not have a deep enough understanding, or a big picture view.
There is no hubris, there is only reality.
If you are building a specialized lock that secures banks, governments and healthcare systems, and only one team knows how to make a critical component in the lock, that team is irreplacable. If a vulnerability is found in the critical compnonent, you need that team to fix it. If that team quits, you can only produce new locks with the on-hand critical components. You won't be able to fix the vulnerabilities, or make any new necessary components.
and stripped apart until it fades away like so many other legacy companies
In case you haven’t noticed, that has been the plan now for almost two years. You are just seeing it in action now. Think of this as a growing experience.
“Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.”
But meanwhile, Hock will milk, milk, milk that cow.
There's a lot of milking to make back $69 Billion, and with engineers, support and customers leaving! Good luck with that.
“THAT team is irreplacable”
It’s exactly that sort of attitude, hubris and arrogance that results in a company becoming irrelevant and overtaken by new competition or not responding to changing markets resulting in being bought up and stripped apart until it fades away like so many other legacy companies. Oh wait………………..
they are leaving as fast as they can
And that is what Hock wants. So his plan is working. You might want to invest in AVGO after you leave.
Engineers in a good company are tight and when the top ones leave they bring the rest with them. Being treated like this, they are leaving as fast as they can. it’s not all about RSUs. Word is out! the community as a whole knows.
This sounds like a scene from Office Space…
“they are gonna find out the hard way that I’m not a pu--y if they don’t start treating us software people better.”
Enjoy your low level bits, Hock doesn’t care.
OK sure, money from the VMware customer base will slowly dry up as the business tanks from neglect. But meanwhile, Hock will milk, milk, milk that cow. And he won't be sitting around on failing AVGO shares when the cow withers away, because now that VMware is safely in house you HAVE to know that he's already scanning the horizon for the next acquisition that has value that can be siphoned off.
skills that less than 1% of developers possess..... THAT team is irreplacable.
That is because it is burnt into your computer science brain that there must
always be some “amazing” progress.
Um, no.
At this stage maintenance with one or two new minimal features per year.
VMware has been admitted to hospice.
No creativity or passion needed. Just turn the handle and milk the cow.
You're right and wrong at the same time. If you knew about the low level parts of the stack, you'd understand. I am not going to explain it to you.
skills that less than 1% of developers possess..... THAT team is irreplacable.
That is because it is burnt into your computer science brain that there must always be some “amazing” progress.
Cute. Very Cute.
At this stage maintenance with one or two new minimal features per year. VMware has been admitted to hospice.
No creativity or passion needed. Just turn the handle and milk the cow.
Also, I think you missed the memo on the latest revisions to the TPS report. Hock was very clear that he wants to shut the F up and get back to work or quit - preferably the latter since he can always higher cheaper labor than you.
The company doesn’t need anyone like you anymore.
Times change.
Deal with it.
You obviously don’t know how this works.
No one is irreplaceable.
I'm not sure you really think that.
I do feel that HT believes it, but...
When you buy a 25+ year old company that has written nothing down, and there is a low attrition, foundational, team filled with old timers having specialized skills that less than 1% of developers possess..... THAT team is irreplacable.
The team has a hard time hiring, because people do not have the skills, and vmware is no longer the cool talked-about tech. Adding the aroma of Broadcom to the mix is not going to make it easier to hire individuals.
when too many people on irreplaceable teams disappear after the 9th
You obviously don’t know how this works.
No one is irreplaceable.
The quicker the better in his book.
He's gonna come to the 'find out' phase pretty quickly when too many people on irreplaceable teams disappear after the 9th.
Just leave then, it is what Hock wants anyway. The quicker the better in his book.
screwing partners telling them if they don’t make 500k a year you can’t sell my software
Except that amount to go up in the same haphazard a manner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/18ztzo0/what_future_holds_for_vmware/?rdt=43341
Also, in late breaking news, scientists have determined that the sky is blue.
Hock has no morals, he only cares about money. How many times in his calls does he say "we need to make more money" or "lets go make some money".
This was predicted as per the typical private equity playbook, past acquisitions, and the known moral character of CEO.
Sometimes you just need to experience it to know it is true.