Anybody can confirm if anyone had been walked out last week and if severance package is similar to VWO?
How come there’s rumor that severance might by way less generous than the previous ones and people who are on retirement age will not be included in layoffs but rather wait for them to leave on their own so company don’t have to pay severance package.
There's no reason for enbridge to offer more than what they need to in order to keep the employment lawyers off their backs. Their own legal group is providing input into what they should be offering for severance. Sounds like it isn't as generous as the VWO, which isn't a surprise.
It has been said repeatedly, might as well say it again. When the Voluntary program happened, we were told straight up that the offers were higher than usual. When we got our letters, you would have noted that the weeks/year of service were notably generous. This was done to encourage people to self-select.
The people that remained did not self-select, and are now being exited. The incentive to do it voluntarily is no longer in play.
That doesn't mean the package won't be generous by typical standards - it will be. But comparing it to the voluntary program is incorrect, and should probably be avoided. If you wanted that sweetened offer you should have taken it when it was on the table. You aren't owed it.
They are less then the VWO
Heard from a witness who saw employee whose badge didn’t work when they walked in this morning at Houston office. Don’t know if it was connected to the GE email!!!
Enbridge has historically had good severance packages, I see no reason that would change.
They can't pay minimum,as prescribed by govt legislation. Talk to an employment lawyer. They have to take into account your salary, your age, your benefits, vehicle allowance etc. That's a fact.
Be careful with how you use the minimum and maximum wordings here. Some people are really gonna be upset about it.
Servance is based not only on your years of service but also your age and the industry you work in. Alberta is also a max of 24 weeks of pay not 8. Always consult a lawyer. You don't have to sign anything by a due date, that is a way to add pressure but cannot be enforced legally.
So if you’re in Canada why does always people assume they’re entitled to what the common law suggests? 24mos max? That’s only if you have 20+ yr of service or you can get just what each provincial legislation dictates. Or if you’re in US it could be nil/nada/zero.
Would it hurt your ego if Enbridge only gives you few weeks of severance pay which is the minimum in legislation as the maximum? Yes, they always pay more but there’s always a first. They can pay you just whatever is in the legislation.
My mistake. Sorry. I thought you knew what "minimum" and "maximum" meant. I'll make allowances for it. Carry on.
Of course there’s maximum, you mean the minimum that the legislation requires that you don’t wanna be a maximum coz you’re so entitled you feel you can’t be given just the minimum on legislation?
See it doesn’t take me a whole of words to stir the pot for entitled people to react.
I can't believe how many dummies are on this site, LOL
One should not be so entitled with 200 weeks per year.
Reading comprehension is reaching new lows... 200 weeks per year was a clear absurdity advanced for the point that there's no "maximum". It was even followed up with "never happen" in anticipation of misunderstanding and it was still missed. I weep for the death of literacy. One should not have to write like every reader is a toddler.
Retirement age: 60+
They are not going to layoff them, they will wait for them to retire at 65 and no package.
To the one who said “200 weeks per year”. I know a lot of people working in Enbridge are entitled but buddy what have you been drinking? LOL
"..people who are on retirement age will not be included in layoffs but rather wait for them to leave on their own so company don’t have to pay severance package"
Not necessarily true. It depends on what your definition of "retirement age" is too.
In my opinion if you are in your fifties and were planning on retiring at 55 and are now hoping to get the severance and pension bridge so you dont have to work those extra 2 or three years I think you will be disappointed. They will make you work those years. 😂
Very good kids! Bravo! See I don’t have to stir up a lot words to get you kids to defend yourselves and now Enbridge lawyers know they are facing potential lawsuits if they don’t give you what you are “entitled” to.
Your legislation is different if you are speaking from the states - in Canada it is common law and there are differences for a full severance payout.
In Canada, severance following a mass layoff can be as much as 24 months’ pay. The amount of compensation you are owed is calculated using a number of factors including
age, length of service, position and the ability to find new work etc
I am not suggesting everyone would be awarded this compensation but for those that are interested in what the law says you are entitled to, then speak to a lawyer before signing. It’s just information. Everyone should do what they want with it and what makes them comfortable and happy. I know what I will do.
Oh I get it. You mean "the maximum they are forced to pay by law"... or, the "maximum minimum". Okay. Convoluted, but I see how you got there,
Regardless, Enbridge offers are better than that. But of course people should be aware of their rights,
"Read the legislation". I have. From the US at will terms to the provincial guidelines and the labour laws, I've read them. And they specify minimums where they specify anything.
You're getting hung up on the word "maximum" and I'm not sure why. There's nothing that prevents Enbridge from paying over the demanded baseline. In some places there are minimums, but nowhere is there a maximum. If they want to pay you 200 weeks per year, that's their right. Won't happen... but they could choose it.
Your perspective underscores the importance of employees standing up for their rights, being proactive, and seeking professional advice when faced with the possibility of a layoff, especially when dealing with employers who may not prioritize their employees' best interests.
There's nothing inherently wrong with feeling entitled when facing a potential layoff. Individuals facing layoffs should be assertive and consider consulting a lawyer to ensure they receive fair treatment and adequate compensation.
Adopting a mindset of entitlement in these situations is essential for employees to protect their interests, similar to how wealthy individuals may approach negotiations to secure their financial well-being.
To the last reply: read the legislation specific to each province or state. Just coz you don’t agree with the legislation’s maximum week for severance pay. Yes Enbridge always pay more than the legislation maximum provisions but there’s always first. This board is riddled with entitled Enbridge staff who thinks the Company owes them the universe.
I saw a lot of these long time employees waste a lot of company time and then expects they are also entitled to 2yrs severance pay.
Careful of your terminology. Some provinces define minimums, not maximums. And Enbridge always pays over the minimum.
I believe it depends on where you’re located
In the US there is no federal or state legislation on to pay severance or how much is the minimum severance pay. It’s usually based on employee/employer agreement and depends on years of service. Also, most employment in US would fall under “at will employment” where company can layoff for any reason as long as the reason is not illegal.
In Canada, the severance pay is dictated in each provincial labor legislation. In Alberta it depends on your years of service and it’s a max of 8 weeks pay for service over 10yrs and maximum of 26 weeks in Ontario based on Employment Standards Act. Someone posted here a link of maximum of 24 mos severance for common law so consult a lawyer if you get laid off.
https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/enbridge-layoffs-severance-pay/
Just guessing, of course, but "less" for sure. Not "way less". It'll probably be something like 4 weeks per year, but not 5.
Not true and not way less than VWO. The company is not opening themselves up for legal challenges, they never have and they won't now.
The rumour is correct. Way less than VWO. No top up.
No one was walked out last week