Thread regarding American Electric Power Co. Inc. layoffs

Mid-cycle adjustment rumors are floating around.

Brian Tierney was on CNBC yesterday and he strikes me someone AEP messed up with by letting him go years ago. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree but I'd rather have Brian than Bill right about now.

Time is the one thing that you can never get back. Would you go back and tell your younger self not to take a job with AEP. I know I would not, I would still take the job some 30+ years ago. I would however, tell him to save every last dime he could do that he could leave without fear of putting a financial strain on the family. Need to look at the long term and plan for it. I'm no Dave Ramsey (I don't believe all of his cr-p) but cutting out a few things and getting a car that gets 40+ mpg vs 18 would have been worth it. Little things like that would have let me invest a few hundred dollars a month that I could use now to leave and not look back. As it is, I'm "stuck" at my age and have to stick it out for a few years before I can leave unless they have another buy out next year. Last one was just not enough.
I know it stinks for a lot of folks but you're not alone, the majority of people are in the same life raft.

The truth is, we are a means to other peoples' wealth. I have the most awful manager. I've known this for the last 5 years. But transferring to another department is impossoble unless your current manager suppports your change. If you are a work horse in your current position, they don't want to lose you. And suddenly the buzz word this year is KPI's. The pmr goals for my team barely scratch the surface of the tasks we do. But these goals were the easiest to measure. Is there a work place where managers actually promote their employees? When the manager spends little time advocating for their team, doesn't advocate for promotions, uses every opportunity to brag about self to higher ups. Another manager is a pro at "fake it to you make it". They rewrote the management job description to remove college education & experience requirements & reposted position for 2 days so the fake would qualify. But I can't find another job right now that will pay same for my years of experience! I know, stop whining! On top of all the MANY CONS of RTO, the uncertain times in federal govt & economy, fear of additional workforce reduction if the company's 2.9B deal isn't approved, etc. its really difficult to find the drive to be a best employee. It just feels like the Great Depression 2.0, only this time we all are 1.5 decades older and have more to lose and less time to bounce back.

I truly hate this company. Never would have imagined I could be brought to this point.

The one thing I have learned with my first year away from AEP. Time is precious. I can never get my time back. I spent to much of my time beleiving in AEP and the leaders their. I am greatful for the experience, wish it would have been better for me and my family, but that time is gone. There are a lot of other companies that do what they say they will do. My path now i much more brighter than it was with AEP. Take the risk if you got a good offer.

It's so over.

"worry about things like building fires, active sho-ter drills, or workplace harassment." The only fire at home is the one in the burn pit. The only active sho..ter drill would be me in the back yard plinking away at cans. The workplace harassment, I might be guilty of if the wife is home before the kids get home from school.

I had a friend of mine who wanted to get to a point in his life that 24 to 30 hours at McDs could cover all of his bills with a little left over. After that, only dipping into his savings when needed. He was almost there when he quit and went to a smaller firm for less money but they only needed him 4 days a week. No mortgage, small house on a small plot in a county that has lower taxes than those surrounding Franklin.
Should have followed his example.

Driving responsibility and accountability down to the lowest employees, provokes the question, why are the people above us better compensated when they are unencumbered by responsibility and accountability?

Most of us can’t afford the same conveniences that they can with their salaries. Private jets, hired drivers, housekeepers, nanny’s, lawn services, private chef’s- etc etc. in addition to our commutes, and 40+ hours of butts in chairs at uninspiring office buildings, we have to do ALL of the rest ourselves with the time leftover. Leaves us exhausted and burnt out.

Yes! You totally nailed it. That’s exactly why I’m starting to think it might be time for a serious life reevaluation —because owning more of my time and energy is beginning to feel way more valuable than just chasing or keeps “more money.”

I’ve been seriously evaluating whether I’m in a place where I can afford to earn a bit less in exchange for more ownership over my life. I’ve come to truly appreciate the slow mornings, the lack of traffic, and the calm that comes with working from home.

I’m more productive, more focused, and far less distracted. I love that I only have to manage my emotions, not absorb everyone else’s energy. I feel safer—not having to worry about things like building fires, active sho-ter drills, or workplace harassment.

And when the day ends, I’m already home—just steps away from dinner or a peaceful walk to decompress. It’s honestly opened the door to what feels like the first truly balanced chapter of my life.

I have determined the real reason they want us back. It’s not tax breaks or sunk cost of real estate, or culture, or innovation from serendipitously bumping into coworkers in the office. It’s not about performance, productivity, profitability, or wanting to work in an office that is filled with people because it just feels nicer. The COVID lockdowns forced companies to allow employees at all levels to WFH. For the first time ever millions of everyday knowledge worker bees had the comfort, autonomy and flexibility previously only held by executives and entrepreneurs. Gently ease into the work day in your home office, with a good breakfast, in comfortable athletic wear, and set the tone and order for your day without distractions; instead of rat-racing to the office through grueling traffic, with time only to maybe scarf down some cr-p to keep you going if that, wearing uncomfortable business clothes you had to stay up til midnight the night before ironing, arrive at the office and immediately start getting dumped on from all corners before you’ve even had a chance to log in. Knock out a major deliverable earlier and better than planned and then take that extra hour you saved to get to your kids soccer game on time or run a personal errand, instead of having your value and contribution solely based on your butt being in a seat all day, regardless of what you’re actually doing. Take a call on the treadmill, or from the hospital so you can sit with your dying father for awhile instead of desk-sitting and driving and stressing yourself into an early grave and spending more time with coworkers than your family. The little people were elevated and the people at the top have gotten sick of sharing that wealth. It’s like a sumptuary law. Put the peasants back down where they belong.

A lack of humanity breeds a lack of humanity and when you receive in return what you have deliberately demonstrated to your fellow humans, don't play the victim. Have the courage to own the poor example you have set as leaders.

What motivation. Work for a company that does not value employees, nor their customers. Raise prices for EPS value only. Should be on AEPs mission statement.

What happens if they dont get their rate increases? Will they cut 10 percent of the work force? I see constant reorganizations in the future. AEP will never be the same. Their is not an executive left that has the demeanor or leadership ability to bring the cimpany back even if Bill would retire and Ichan moved on.

The major influencer on the board was an advisor of the current pres of US during his first term. This company wants more positive or favorable regulatory outcomes...so it makes sense that the company is towing the line in step with the feds.

Can I say the company doesn't give a sh...it about the employees rate payers, period. They only care about Wall Street and themselves. It's obvious Bill doesn't care, he has no hobbies, his only focus is to increase EPS and you can only do that in a few ways. He's taking the easy route by hitting employees and the rate payers first with reduction in benefits and higher rates.
As both a rate payer and employee, I have to do a cost analysis staying with the company, right now, it's showing me a negative return. How disheartening it's been to watch this company go down the tubes in the past 5 years. Covid didn't cause it, leadership did

Sounds like you priced yourself out.

Yes, It’s common for businesses to replace high-paid, long-term employees with newer hires who have less experience and lower salary expectations. These newer employees are often less jaded by corporate, have fewer established boundaries, and are more likely to prioritize their careers over personal or family life.

We're not reducing headcount though. We're hiring.

There may be some tax benefits for the company, but to me, this is more about preserving traditional, “old school” corporate power and control—plain and simple. I also suspect there’s an interest in reducing headcount without offering layoff packages. As corporations push to restore the status quo, perhaps this is a moment for people to reconsider what really matters. We’ve had a taste of a new kind of work-life balance. Scaling back our lifestyles could mean needing less income, which in turn could open up more choices, greater freedom, and a better overall quality of life.

It’s a myth that most major companies are going full RTO. Less than 10% of all companies with more than 1,000 employees have a full 5 day on office policy.

It’s just not as big a deal publicly when companies adopt hybrid models.

5 days of RTO is NOT the norm with Fortune 500 companies according to Grok:

Are most Fortune 500 companies mandating RTO policies?
"Most Fortune 500 companies are not mandating full return-to-office (RTO) policies but are instead favoring hybrid models. According to a February 2025 report, 86% of Fortune 100 companies have adopted hybrid work arrangements, where employees split time between working from home and the office, typically expecting 1–5 days per week in the office. Only 19 Fortune 500 companies (4%) require a full five-day in-office presence, while 40 (8%) have fully remote policies. The trend leans toward structured hybrid schedules, with 43% of U.S. companies overall adopting such models by late 2024, and the average office attendance requirement is around 2.78 days per week. High-profile companies like Amazon, JPMorgan Chase, and Nike have pushed for at least four-day in-office policies, but these are exceptions rather than the norm. Employee satisfaction with hybrid arrangements is high, with nearly 80% of workers in hybrid or in-person models reporting satisfaction, compared to 90% for fully remote workers."

The driver is clearly market forces, if it was just "old school mentality" then you would see more variance among top companies.
Badge tracking doesn't give you any insight into why the decision was made, all it does is tell you that they are serious about it.

Good discussion here but I think something needs to be clarified. I do not believe taxes or commercial real estate are the drivers here. It really and truly is control and an old school leadership mentality.

I say this because multiple executives have pushed for badge tracking to verify employees are coming in to facilities. This has been discussed for hybrid workers, even before the RTO decision.

That should be clarifying, in terms of how many executives at this iteration of AEP view this situation. I was privy to discussions around how this would potentially be implemented.

Happy Easter to all of my best friends at work (that’s all of you). Whether or not you celebrate, I hope you have a great day and can push off the “Sunday Scaries” until late tonight.

If you want a successful careers at AEP, lower your standards

A lot of the smaller companies continue to offer hybrid flexibility while Fortune 500s go full RTO. Maybe the smaller companies see it as an inexpensive card they can play to attract talent away from larger companies.
But if this was really about commercial real estate, isn't this the exact opposite of what you'd expect to see? Wouldn't you expect the larger companies to have the capital to own their buildings outright and be above the influence of landlords, while smaller companies have to RTO?

A lot of other utilities offer hybrid across the country.

My money would be on the commercial real estate owners are giving some breaks to get people back in the buildings. If I remember right, $1.5T mortgages were coming due in 2025 to be refinanced. With higher interest rates and low occupancy, not sure a worse scenario for them. Maybe it's a way for the companies to bail them out.

I think whatever is driving the RTO is bigger than just Bill.
If it was just Bill then you wouldn't see the same pattern happening at all these major companies. I don't know what it is or what is causing it, but it isn't specific to just AEP and one man's whimsy. There's been speculation that it's about propping up commercial real estate values or that major companies are getting some kind of deal from municipalities to make employees RTO to prop up downstream businesses like restaurants. But those seem kind of weak to me and I really don't know what it is.

I wonder how many people find in-office the least productive days. For me, that’s true. I’m remote but have gone in about once a week on average. I get far less done on those days (which I could care less about). At home, I barely leave me office all day except for bio breaks and to make lunch which I eat at my desk. Much of my day is on Teams. Bill’s view of the corporate world is that of a too old and too out of touch executive. If I see him at the office I’ll call him Bob. He’s a generic characterization of a 1970s executive with a lazy eye. So Bob is more generic than Bill and it fits.

Successful change management typically involves clear communication, phased implementation, and giving people time to adapt.

Too many changes to an organization too fast can lead to several negative outcomes, including:

1. Employee Resistance: People generally resist change, especially when it’s rapid and frequent. It can create fear, uncertainty, and pushback.
2. Decreased Morale: Constant change can make employees feel unstable or undervalued, leading to lower motivation and morale.
3. Confusion and Chaos: If changes aren’t clearly communicated or implemented gradually, it can lead to confusion about roles, processes, and priorities.
4. Burnout: Employees may feel overwhelmed by having to constantly adapt, which can lead to stress and burnout.
5. Loss of Productivity: Frequent shifts in direction can interrupt workflow, training, and performance, slowing down progress.
6. Diluted Focus: Making too many changes can cause the organization to lose sight of its core mission or long-term goals.
7. Increased Turnover: If employees are unhappy or uncertain about the future, they may leave the organization.

By their nature, ERGs are not inclusive, they have a limiting scope to a small subset of employees. Example, the Veterans RG, if you're not a veteran, why would you join but I guess anyone is allowed to join just don't say you were when you're not. Kinda like saying you're a native American when you're not for that ERG. I'm sorry Bill not everything has to be inclusive. It's why the Boy Scouts are no longer the BSA because they let girls in just to drive up the membership numbers. Nothing wrong with being restrictive on membership. Just something else the company touches that turns to sh....

How will you measure leadership accountability? High turnover rates? From my experience leadership at AEP is full of retaliation, make a complaint and you are done. This is why the surveys never worked. That retailiation mentality has always been there.

so, the ERGs will still exist except they won’t be promoted like before. Bill is implementing what’s called “Inclusion” that has three principles: leadership accountability, inclusive workplace and community wellbeing. The ERGs fall under this new program.

Is it true all the ERG’s are being eliminated?

I still haven’t heard if there will be any actual changes that matter in engineering. Is it even going to impact distribution? Maybe missed a comment or something but I don’t see anything major.

I left because I was unhappy and took a small pay cut. I’m glad to not be involved with the company any more. New job still pi---s me off but everything about it other than pay is better. I do miss making a little more money. Oh well. Might have been worth it.

Deny the accomplishments of those employees, who have weighed and measured you as their leader and found you wanting.