Thread regarding VMware layoffs

Serious question about DEI team

No one seems willing to answer thisand I'm sure the PC mods will delete, but this is a serious question.

what does the DEI team do for 40 hours every week? How many people work on that team?

My assumption is we spend several million a year on that team to create presentations about bigotry and racism?

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Post ID: @OP+1ooVmdYK

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My experience with the DEI program was that hiring a basic JavaScript developer took over 1 year, had to post the job 3x, because it expired and we had to find a under represented minority for the job. Our product suffered and I can say that after 6-7months of this toil, myself and the team didn’t care who the fûck got hired. Hiring the turtles in the pond would have been fine.

So our DEI policy and execution is it managed to pi-s off everyone who actually had to work on the product and deliver.

We ended up with a meh developer who now after a year hasn’t really grown into the role and basically has others doing that person’s work behind the scenes.

That is the end result of my DEI experience. Simple experience. But not a good one.

God forbid you give feedback… before the words comes out of your mouth the DEI champions are already forming the words racist and start their condescending tone. Fûck all you DEI VMware âssholes, your program su-ks because you su-k!! Go off and ruin another company please.

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Post ID: @1yvy+1ooVmdYK

I think DEI is an admirable notion. However, we have failed in the execution. As a long time VMW leader, I can say, without reservation, that we have been bullied and censored by these policies. I have seen many ill equipped and ill prepared people put in leadership roles, in service to these policies. Leadership is foundational to a companies success. People quit managers not companies. We should strive to be more inclusive and diverse but not at the cost of the health and viability of our business. Make no mistake, VMware's ham fisted execution of DEI has made us weaker and has certainly contributed to our current state of affairs.

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Post ID: @1rvw+1ooVmdYK

Shrug.

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Post ID: @1vtt+1ooVmdYK

Like I said you have nothing intelligent to say and are totally failing to understand the argument so ill spell it out for you in bullet points

  • Being against DEI programs like

VMwares doesn't imply racism, or s-xism. It means we disagree with using discrimination against one group as a method to increase the racial and se-ual makeup of the company

  • I agree that Dei had nothing to do with the company failure I never implied that it did. But people who support dei programs like to imply as they did below that Dei is directly correlated to a company success. So if you believe that then where are the results? All they do is point to companys and studies that prove their point and ignore the ones that don't. You can't have it both ways.
  • your comments are racist. You continually bring in race and s-x to your argument by saying “white guys” repeatedly. You do this because you are racist, are failing to understand the argument is against the program and not the people dei programs are meant to bring in. I would love to see a more diverse workforce but I disagree modern woke dei programs are the way to do it. That's all! Is that too hard for you to understand?

So please stop being racsist and stop projecting your racism on others who are only saying that race, gender, and se-ual preferences are factors that should never be considered in the hiring process. Only skills experience and ability. Understand?

If you want an equal world fight discrimination then. And if you are truly against discrimination, then you should oppose dei programs like the ones VMware has implemented. Lastly, stop telling me to leave the company. I don't have to leave be cause our inept leadership keeps focusing on all the wrong things and is failing this place. They should leave and so should racists like you

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Post ID: @1qkx+1ooVmdYK

"DEI is synonym for WOKE. America is going in negative direction while whole world is watching and laughing."

Yes, they are laughing at people like you. If you don't like diversity and inclusion, move to Russia. They are pretty homogenous there.

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Post ID: @1fwl+1ooVmdYK

DEI is synonym for WOKE. America is going in negative direction while whole world is watching and laughing.

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Post ID: @1mbb+1ooVmdYK

"...Cool since you have nothing intelligent to say...

...Question for you all pro DEI program people - If DEI is so wonderful and magical as all these points and studies show below, then why has VMware been failing from a product relevance and revenue perspective for the last several years..."

One of the most well known feature of far-right people is projection. Nothing intelligent to say is what you just did: assuming correlation equals causation. DEI is not the reason why VMWare failed. MD is.

MD su-ked us dry, never allowed us to achieve our true potential and decided to sell us to make more money and get even more power. But hey, he is another white dude, so of course, let's blame the DEI initiative instead.

Again, you should have quit a long time ago. Clearly, you don't belong here and in the wonderful culture we created. Go and join a company that only hires and promotes people who look like you.

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Post ID: @1nbr+1ooVmdYK

"Oh no!! If I speak up that we should focus only on white males and complain about the company being inclusive I will suffer consequences for it! CANCEL CULTURE!"

Cool since you have nothing intelligent to say you resort to putting words in our mouth.

Opposing DEI programs that condone and promote discrimination does not mean white power. DEI programs are bad for many reasons despite all the propaganda posted below.

Question for you all pro DEI program people - If DEI is so wonderful and magical as all these points and studies show below, then why has VMware been failing from a product relevance and revenue perspective for the last several years, which oh by the way happen to correlate with the same time period we implemented and doubled down on our DEI initiative????? Could it be that datapoints were mined to confirm a certain point of view, vs actually applying some real skepticism to the claims.

Being against DEI programs does not imply racism as some simple mind people keep eluding to. Here is an article from a non-white guy who agrees - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/10-things-i-hate-diversity-inclusion-anthony-d-mays/

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Post ID: @1saz+1ooVmdYK

"If someone did that, what do you think would happen? It wouldn't be good for them, right? I'm sure that's your point and you are literally proving that poster's point that they would be canceled and censored for questioning the value and efficacy of our DEI program."

Oh no!! If I speak up that we should focus only on white males and complain about the company being inclusive I will suffer consequences for it! CANCEL CULTURE!

DEI is part of our culture. If you don't like, what the heck are you doing working here in the first place? You should have quitted a long time ago. Go to work for a company that aligns with your values. MyPillow Guy, Home Depot and Twitter must be hiring. No, wait... LOL.

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Post ID: @czm+1ooVmdYK

Honestly i doubt any of these fools actually work for VMware or any other company, they demonstrate a lack of IQ that is on par with having a railroad spike through the brain. They seem to think that this type of thing encourages others to come out of the shadows and behave the same way as if they are some oppressed minority desperately in need of rescue.

As someone who does work for VMware, we are happy to have you and we need to do better to encourage more women into STEM and prevent them from being pushed out of the industry by amoeba brained bullies.

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Post ID: @vlu+1ooVmdYK

It’s so welcoming being a woman in tech, at a company with a greater than 2:1 ratio of men to women. Just look at these comments! SMH

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Post ID: @wto+1ooVmdYK

DEI walked in to a fancy bar and ordered the most expensive drink. Hard work and Competence paid the bill.

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Post ID: @mnc+1ooVmdYK

“Businesses such as Budweiser, Target, and Vmware have all benefited from DEL initiatives as have womens sports and other organizations once restricted to biological females only"

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Post ID: @zxv+1ooVmdYK

"Businesses such as Budweiser, Target, and Vmware have all benefited from DEL initiatives as have womens sports and other organizations once restricted to biological females only"

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Post ID: @tpl+1ooVmdYK

Maybe the fact that our DEI people are not even SME‘s, instead people with an interest and half knowledge is the reason why our DEI has such a bad perception.

The ones I know which are involved to heavily include their own personal opinion, which is just horrendous to me.

When’s the next fireside chat with a minority bingo winner by the way?

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Post ID: @mef+1ooVmdYK

We got a 120% bonus because of DEI, so you can say thank you

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Post ID: @qum+1ooVmdYK

I do recall one DEI episode where we celebrated the gender transformation of a young guest during a town hall meeting some time ago. We also celebrated procuring Eric Holders firm to help define Vmware's DEI initiatives.

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Post ID: @ome+1ooVmdYK

"You are free to call HR and ask them to have this discussion. Even better, raise your hand during a Town Hall and ask it. I would love to see you do it."

If someone did that, what do you think would happen? It wouldn't be good for them, right? I'm sure that's your point and you are literally proving that poster's point that they would be canceled and censored for questioning the value and efficacy of our DEI program.

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Post ID: @iob+1ooVmdYK

"To anyone thinking DEI will die at Broadcom, I direct you here: https://www.broadcom.com/company/citizenship/workforce"

Wow, that's some major gullibility and delusion if you think a website truly reflects Broadcom's priorities.

That same page also talks about a healthy workplace on that site, yet Hock was one of the first people to force his employees back to office during COVID.

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Post ID: @uiw+1ooVmdYK

To anyone thinking DEI will die at Broadcom, I direct you here: https://www.broadcom.com/company/citizenship/workforce

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Post ID: @zam+1ooVmdYK

“ Hock Tan and the Broadcom Team won't put up with the shenanigans of a DEI group which adds zero shareholder value to the organization, produces no service or product, creates division, creates disharmony, and pushes agendas that have no place in the workforce.…”

You are aware that Broadcom has dedicated people for DEI aren’t you?

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Post ID: @jsa+1ooVmdYK

It is clear that a significant portion of the inquirers in this forum regarding DEI activity and costs are dark people who belong to QAnon and/or the K-K. In any case, VMware's largest number of employees is in India, and the Great America continues to lose height and horizon towards India and China. Europe is already a finished story without a horizon.

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Post ID: @bod+1ooVmdYK

"And even though you all dismiss the woke mob, cancel culture mentality, then why are people truly afraid of having this conversation out in the open, and why does it get consistently censored?"

You are free to call HR and ask them to have this discussion. Even better, raise your hand during a Town Hall and ask it. I would love to see you do it.

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Post ID: @bll+1ooVmdYK

"Hock Tan and the Broadcom Team won't put up with the shenanigans of a DEI group."

Neither will he put up with the shenanigans of losers who spend hours complaining about DEI and blaming them for their failures. You will lose your job faster than the DEI volunteers will.

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Post ID: @kzz+1ooVmdYK

"Pretty amazing that “DEI” is written across our bonus statement.

Makes me want to return it."

Please do it. Imagine the woke mob giving you money for their accomplishments that you clearly did nothing to help. Walk the talk.

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Post ID: @vpb+1ooVmdYK

They hired Ru Paul to present our quarterly earnings report.

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Post ID: @she+1ooVmdYK

Open discussion is always welcome, but it's delusional to think that the people bringing up DEI here are open to such. These are bad-faith conversations. Recent posts have spent zero effort determining what VMW's DEI efforts were before bashing them on here. One post asking how many millions of dollars we spend per year on the DEI team :eyeroll:

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Post ID: @ppb+1ooVmdYK

@hzk+1ooVmdYK

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say about this subject, other than your typical dismissive statement?

Clearly, DEI is not free, and we invested in actual headcount toward the effort. As shareholders, there should be nothing wrong with questioning the value of this.

And even though you all dismiss the woke mob, cancel culture mentality, then why are people truly afraid of having this conversation out in the open, and why does it get consistently censored?

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Post ID: @pez+1ooVmdYK

Hock Tan and the Broadcom Team won't put up with the shenanigans of a DEI group which adds zero shareholder value to the organization, produces no service or product, creates division, creates disharmony, and pushes agendas that have no place in the workforce. Anyone that has a DEI based job at VMware should be prepared to be let go. For public virtue signaling initiatives, expect Broadcom to use its own people and controlled messaging to appease the radical vocal minority.

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Post ID: @cfp+1ooVmdYK

Pretty amazing that “DEI” is written across our bonus statement.

Makes me want to return it.

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Post ID: @gsa+1ooVmdYK

DEI are not 40-hour week multi-million dollar teams. There are many volunteers, like PODs. You didn't think POD leads were paid to do that, did you?

Review policy, review exit interviews, and review complaints. Look for trends. Find changes to make in hiring and PEP. And, like many HR-related roles, wait to respond to a need.

"PC"? LOL. Old-school mentality here. "If this post is deleted then I must be right and the woke mob is out to get me"

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Post ID: @vpt+1ooVmdYK

DEI living rent free in your head. How much time did you spend thinking about and then crafting this message? Get back to work.

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Post ID: @hzk+1ooVmdYK

The folks that volunteer and are not full time DEI split their time between their real jobs and the DEI role. Having said that, they usually think DEI is their full time job, forget about making up hrs lost on their actual job. At my site, I've seen these volunteers meet all day to discuss events. Furthermore, when someone asked at a town hall of DEI volunteers make up lost hrs, it was met with hostility from some DEI chair. God forbid anyone questions their lack of productivity. Self righteous and self entitled are their best descriptors.

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Post ID: @ggd+1ooVmdYK

https://news.vmware.com/dei/global-head-of-dei

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Post ID: @clk+1ooVmdYK

No we have at least one of that team, the cod Chief Diversity Officer

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Post ID: @bvp+1ooVmdYK

"what does the DEI team do for 40 hours every week?" Their primary job, as AFAIK there is no team who's purpose is solely DEI, it's just a sub-function that people can take on. IMO this concept about an expensive "DEI team" only lives within the head of people that consume their info from certain sources. I'm sure there are DEI working groups that meet on a cadence, which I'm fine with me.

People in HR do things in the service of DEI, such as organise physiological safety workshops, which I'm also fine with as the data has shown that a physiologically safety was the most important indicator in high performing team. See Project Aristotle https://rework.withgoogle.com/print/guides/5721312655835136/

Most companies buy in the "bigotry and racism" bad content and TBH VMware is very light on that compared to other large corporates I've worked with.

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Post ID: @zmm+1ooVmdYK

I didn’t think there was a dedicated DEI team. I thought it was a group of people from across the business doing this part time as an internal initiative. I might be wrong though.

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