Jealousy runs wild among non-union workers when they hear of how good union pay and work environments can be. But they are to chicken to form a union to protect themselves and their own jobs. Wake up, if u are not union you have no security or peace.
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Stock markets periodically crash, wiping out 401ks and pensions. Sure, sometimes pensions are underfunded but the main culprit is the cyclical nature of the market itself.
The pensions are sacred (why?) and are often backed by taxes.
The 401ks are not sacred and are not backed by taxes. Who gets pensions? Why are they more important than people with 401ks? And why are our elected representatives only supporting the people with pensions?
Companies that do not pay their agreed share of pensions because they know the gov will bail them out, should be billed later with a higher tax rate to replenish what they stole from taxpayers. Unions get the blame for lack in pensions contributions, but it is the business that was the non-contributor. Remember that the next time you are asked to work harder or pushed to give 110% at work.
Why don't you stick to the actual topic: Hard working Americans subsidizing the UAW and failed UAW pensions?
Taxpayers gave the UAW billions:
"$21 billion more for the UAW retiree benefit trust fund than it would have received had it been treated like other unsecured creditors."
"Another $1 billion to restore pensions for UAW retirees at GM's defunct Delphi subsidiary."
"And the UAW didn't have to make wage concessions that a normal bankruptcy proceeding would have required. Cost to taxpayers: $4 billion."
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-auto-bailout-was-a-union-bailout/
It's pathetic that hard working Americans have to support the UAW pensions.
The Big 3 needs to stand firmly against it because pensions don't work and end up costing taxpayers billions.
The same single mothers who will live in poverty until they die will be paying for the pensions of spoiled union retirees. It's really disgusting.
Does your link prove that "Doctors, janitors and retail clerks all making the same wage?"
If not, you're just going off on a tangent and not answering the question that was asked.
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It's amusing that rather than cite facts, it's easy to just insult.
Doctors in Russia are still earning poverty wages today:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/04/07/russian-doctors-paid-less-than-fast-food-workers-a57667
Legacy of communism! Wear that red uaw shirt with pride my man.
Also amusing that you cherry pick something you think might be wrong rather than confront the idea that single moms earning poverty wages will be bailing out uaw pensions. Do you think you can debate that one?
GM would rather make it overseas but they don't have basic human rights in Mexico and China. A managers abuse has no limits. They will sell their mother for 10 cents.
"Doctors, janitors and retail clerks all making the same wage, regardless of the hard work, risks and personal sacrifices it took to get where they are."
Did that happen in the Soviet Union or any other country?
Dude, you're delusional.
"If everyone was union, America would resemble the Soviet Union."
You do realize that prosperous and free countries like Germany and Denmark are highly unionized, and there are labor standards even for salaried workers.
Most of Europe is like that as well, and Canada has some of those things.
Better turn off the Fox Propaganda Channel.
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Based!
And lets not forget who is hurt by union tantrums:
Non-union suppliers (raw materials, components, etc) and their workers, consumers (higher prices), corporations (lost profits), shareholders (smaller dividends), America itself (destroyed business & capital; unemployed supplier workers).
UAW getting double the wages and 5x the benefits compared with literally everyone else is called INEQUITY.
To make things MUCH WORSE, tax payers often have to bail out union pensions. Working poor giving up hard-earned wages to support the entitled people living a lavish lifestyle (in comparison). People in apartments who barely make ends meet tithing to the upper-middle class union workers who living in McMansions with boats and campers. It's sick. Seriously, sick.
If everyone was union, America would resemble the Soviet Union. Think about that for a while. It's a race to the bottom with wages and standard of living. Doctors, janitors and retail clerks all making the same wage, regardless of the hard work, risks and personal sacrifices it took to get where they are. In that environment there are no innovations, nothing evolves or changes for the better. You have job security but you also have poverty.
Nobody is jealous of you. The nation is shaking its head and laughing at the entitlement mentality. Unions can be good for some things. Anyone who has managed in a union environment is the babysitter- members spend a lot of time complaining about everything under the sun, and putting more effort into avoiding work, than just doing the job.
"The near future will see drastic reductions in components"
No. An often repeated misconception. Ask an engineer/designer if the Evs they are working on have fewer components than ICE vehicles. They have many, many more to the extent that there's no room to package them!
If the big boss gets performance based compensation, you're expected to do whatever it takes so she won't lose a nickel from her check.
Everyone with two hands gets a GM-
If you're not willing to lose a hand in a factory for your employer, you're not a team player.
Making manufacturing more complicated and expensive in North America is not a great idea if you look at the changing world around you. The near future will see drastic reductions in components and in vehicle volumes based on EV architecture and battery costs as well as inflationary policies that hit the energy sector hard. Seems like this reality can't be comprehended so just like in Europe, wave good bye to the NA base of the auto industry. Get used to pronouncing Mandarin names. The future is yours to lose.
Many businesses both big and small are union now and likely wish they had behaved honestly and fairly in the beginning but had to be forced to do what is right, safe and proper by a Union. A Union sign on the business/corporation means that entity has to be baby sit by the Union all the time to make it do right.
Definition of most businesses that now have a union workforce: A corporation that at one time ripped off employees, could care less about safety unless it meant saving them money, no seniority for employees, AT WILL fired employees with no cause, allowed abuse to exist with no recourse or grievance procedure, took money earned by employees for themselves without sharing, padded their own pockets in bonuses and what was their reward for unfair practices like these? Today they have to put up unionized workforces and be made to do what is right and truthful.
I'm an engineer and would like to join. Joining the union means I get to say to my manager "Go to hll, I'm union. Write the report yourself. Report writing isn't engineering and is taking somebody's job away."
"The benefits of a global economy " means having 10 year old girls make your sneakers for a dollar a day in China so the corporation can sell them for $250 a pair in America.
Corporate profits and executive compensation thank you for globalization.
The benefits of a global economy our lower wages and less job security. In the 1950's unions had power and consumer had little choice but to eat the costs. That is not the case now, and consumer have choice and the UAW is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
It’s easier to unionize a big environment like a large auto company. But try that at any supplier or machine shop. If they can’t stop the union, they will definitely close the plant. Anyone who has worked in the real world knows this.
No plant owner wants employees who are constantly crying and slacking. It’s just a straight road to oblivion in a competitive environment. Having to hire more workers to do the same job while also paying for very expensive benefits is a road to ruin and everyone knows it.
Beyond that, there are real world examples of non-factory jobs that have been unionized where the pay is much lower. Not very attractive. And of course there are scores of examples of corrupt union leaders. You can see by Sean Fein’s rhetoric that he is not a very sophisticated negotiator. He is good at going into attack mode, but very bad at getting results. What have the results been so far? The big three are going to crush him like an aunt and unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be hurt by that. how will they crush him? By breaking the coffers of the union. There’s no way that they can afford to strike three automakers at once. You can’t fight a war at multiple fronts. You run out of resources.
Getting a spokesperson to stump for you who wants to ban fossil fuels is just one of the many examples of the benefits I suppose... sort of like let's fight for higher pay and get behind a politician who wants to radically reduce the auto industry. I'm not sure how that equates to security or peace.
HAHA, security and peace by being part of a Union? Union leaders care more about themselves than the members they represent, taking kickbacks for new houses or cars, than fighting for benefits for their members. The UAW is a joke. It used to be good and mean peace and security, but that was 40 years ago, wake up, Unions are the reason costs for things get so high, not because of good wages, but because of the 50% of union workers that abuse the system and take advantage of the "securities" that the union puts in place, and poor companies have to increase their costs to accommodate the ridiculous requirements of the Unions. I worked in a Union for a short period, never again. Private sector all the way! My benefits are better, and my pay is better. When you're worth more, companies will pay you more individually when your pay isn't lumped together with the slacker in the corner doing 20% of their job!