Thread regarding VMware layoffs

Which countries will NOT be letting employees know ahead of 30 Oct?

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Post ID: @OP+1oBU8x1z

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There are two elements to the notification that you need to keep in mind.

First is M&A law and limitations on acquiring companies making business decisions on behalf of the acquired company before the merger / buyout closes. This is very strict in most jurisdictions which is why when Hock was running his shadow Op of the IOC controlling VMware commercial policies (btw - some would call it more than borderline "improper" and expect that all the VMW execs knew it but just played ostrich ...). This is the first part of why notifications will be later for some jurisdictions than others as some have waiver conditions once regulatory approvals are secured and others don't.

Second is labour law. Many jurisdictions have a deeper public inquiry to large scale layoffs and there are reporting, review, approval schemes with government agencies before employees can be notified individually - see Germany, France, Nordics, etc... Others like the US, India, etc. have more lax rules here that can be addressed in a shorter timeframe.

In most if not all cases, there isn't a very easy way to string this out so you're looking at things being done and dusted likely within 90 days of the merger across all jurisdictions if Hock wants to go fast which after all this time I would assume he would intend.

It's happening and it's a question of weeks now.

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Post ID: @wfl+1oBU8x1z

Did anyone listen to the all hands? No country outside the US will be able to get offers or severance out to people prior to the close. The US is the only one.

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Post ID: @rrl+1oBU8x1z

In Ireland, two weeks consultation or in this case at risk notice , then gone start of Nov. Nothing stopping it happening in ireland with notice given mid October.

Notice to local company reps might have already happened ahead of.

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Post ID: @lbl+1oBU8x1z

Countries / states that are relatively difficult to retrench (Protective labor law)

France
Germany
Japan
Italy
Spain
California
New York
Massachusetts

Countries / states that are relatively easier to retrench (Labor law doesn't protect)

China
India
Indonesia
Russia
Vietnam
Florida
Georgia
Texas

These are just general guidelines, and the laws governing retrenchment can vary depending on the specific circumstances.

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Post ID: @cix+1oBU8x1z

All of the EU, for sure.

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Post ID: @wan+1oBU8x1z

Ireland

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Post ID: @pgv+1oBU8x1z

Poland too, most likely. By the law, the acquiring company cannot lay off an employee solely from the fact of acquiring. But it can propose changes to the contract that the employee may not accept, thus starting the notice period, and that will be it. There's also a law stating that the acquiring company cannot make the offer and working conditions worse than they were at the acquired company [for a certain period - ?]. Still, you'd need a good lawyer to persuade the judge to apply it.

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Post ID: @mde+1oBU8x1z

costarica

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Post ID: @zaw+1oBU8x1z

Depends on local labour laws - if you're that bothered check the laws for your country.

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Post ID: @mny+1oBU8x1z

I would say Nicaragua

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Post ID: @lmg+1oBU8x1z

France and Germany most likely, strong local labour laws

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