So many high performers I know have been laid off, while those who are at best average are still here. So what's the point of giving it your best? Is there one?
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Gibbons was the worst hire they ever had. D-bag comes in thinks we are Starbucks ad have a very simple supply chain. Lays off 40%-50% of sourcing. Then he has the gonads to say we need all of these new positions but says we need to hire external. Someone questioned why since 3Mers know their business. He p-o pooed it saying they got us in this mess. Way to boost morale.
Very presentation he tries to act all sincere when deep down he is nothing more than an angry bitter man.
I was in HiPo program for more than 10 years always rated a 4 quite a few 5s. Still on elimination list. To be fair did get opportunities and promotions over the years but recently the program had come to mean nothing- no courses or development opportunities for years. Took the severance, got out, got new job, big pay increment, no regrets.
And it was $200 when Roman became CEO in July 2018. Not my report card, barely my employer anymore. I was just saying that sales AIP should have su-ked just like everyone else, because the company su-ked. As someone else said, we are better off supporting each other. Best wishes and good luck
I was taught if you share in the successes of a firm, you also share in the failures. I disagree with hiding behind the statement that factors outside our control resulted in poor performance last year. You were paid and like everyone else, you are just as culpable as the rest of us for a bad year. We are not islands.
You said, “The point - WE as a corporation failed to meet expectations last year.”
The issue with 3M employee performance extends well beyond CY 2022. A history lesson:
On July 8, 2013, MMM closed at $115.14 per share.
On July 10, 2023, MMM closed at $97.19 per share.
This is YOUR report card for the last 10 years, not only the previous CY.
Facts are stubborn things.
It's called pride. Pride in knowing you've done your personal best. Morale is terrible all around, and I definitely have had more bad days than good days in the last years. But in the days that I give it my all, and have done my personal best in my own work and also in helping others the best I can who are struggling through the same messes I am, I leave with a sense of pride.
I grew up in a family who had very little and had to work hard for everything we had. Back then, hope only came in tiny fractions, but shone brighter when I gave it my all. There was a lot of pride that came with it. I see a lot of similarities with the current 3M.
Could I find another job? Yes, likely. Will I eventually get cut? Yes, nearly certainly. But the PEOPLE of 3M (not the company itself) make it worth sticking it out, at least still as of now.
There wouldn’t be anything to try to sell if it were not for innovation, engineering, and manufacturing. Innovation started this company, engineering and mfg scaled it, and sales monetized it.
The point - WE as a corporation failed to meet expectations last year. For many of us, it was due to factors outside our control. It is disgraceful if the sales team did not see the same AIP impact that the rest of the organization did.
Feel free to brew your cr-p all you’d like. There’s data to prove that our sales and business teams underperform and have for quite some time. Marketers don’t know their market and change jobs too frequently to generate real results, and salespeople are underpaid versus peer companies. Compensation and accountability should be improved. Good salespeople are worth a pile of money and should be paid as such.
Which ties back to the original post - high performers should leave if 3M does not recognize their contribution. Being laid off simply pays them to hunt for a better job.
OK. OK. Simmer down.
I think the point was to call out the issue of fairness with cuts across the board. Perhaps the concern was losing sales staff. In any event, we of different departments are colleagues who should not quibble with one another. After all, we didn’t run 3M into a ditch and we should support one another through this difficult time. Peace.
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Excuse me… how do you think you get a paycheck? Each time a sale is made, that’s how. You shouldn’t get a bonus or anything else if all you are is an expense. The coffee is brewed. Suggest you wake up and smell it. Unbelievable.
I am told sales didn’t get the AIP slashing that the rest of the company got this year. If that’s true then it is indeed disgraceful.
Our business and sales teams don’t know how to determine what the market will bear nor how to generate growth. I would generally say we need better business and sales resources and 3M should also be prepared to compensate, as well as penalize, them appropriately.
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Your derogatory comment vis-a-vis sales professionals is a disgrace.
get you sales people, how easy it is to grab your 107% benchmark and get a bonus trip away to Mexico or Dubai, not the hardest job in the world when 80% of your leads are customers that have stuck by mm for the last 40 years. Doing the easy sell is nice , with your paid for car , your benefits package and then your promotion to senior sales after 4 or 5 years, it is a pity mm don't offer you WYW so you could do zoom calls with customers
there is no point being a high performer in the 3M we know today. Just reading some of the past comments gives you a good idea of how things work in the company.
If actual high performers are not getting promoted why would anyone put in the extra effort? On the other hand if average performers are getting promoted by knowing the right people theyll continue to k.SS @ss and only focus on building relationships with the higher ups to land more promotions.
I recommend thinking hard about what you want in life - if you want stability, career development, and willing to work your way up the old fashioned way - putting in hard work, i would say get out NOW and find a new company that values you. on the contrary if you are content being a sycophant and parasite you should definitely stick around
I’ve tried so hard and have not been successful.
My new plan is the old fashioned way - marry wealthy!
I’ve been a hi-po my entire time at 3M, never once received a promotion because of the hi-po - always because of leaders who worked hard to champion me, and my own efforts at networking. My opinion - HR uses Hi-Po lists to do fake round table slate reviews that have nothing to do with how people get promoted anyway - leaders choose people they are familiar with and promote them. Maybe try playing golf or attending church with them.. you may just learn the secret of promotions at 3M!
Anecdotal. but I swear for this most recent round of layoffs, the only people they laid off were high performers.
People who got laid off has nothing to do with their performance, they're chosen to share their managers failure
When I started in corporate, HP’s meant something. A higher bonus payout, MBB selection, MBA / Grad school benefits, and promotion opportunity.
4 years later it meant nothing. New mgmt came in and pre-selected their HP’s in Jan, stacked them with easy projects to look like an over achiever, and executed against that plan. If you weren’t already pre-selected, none of that year’s accomplishments meant anything. Even after out performing the HP’s.
It’s all favoritism in action, and the results are what everyone is experiencing today.
A person who feels appreciated will always do more than expected. That appreciation needs to be more than an occasional Everyday Wins points allotment of $5 = $50 value. Seriously?!! Unfortunately, it seems they are serious.
I led improvement cards in our plant for a while. Simply by running into problems during daily job routine and having the logic of this su-ks and can we fix it to make the job easier? Apparently wanting to make jobs easier and not harder is a threat and turned into my boss not knowing how to complete cards or troubleshoot problems. Getting insecure and retaliating against me to get me to quit or get fired. Shocker. Now they just ignore or deny everything. Hard to believe some people care about integrity and pride yet some just care about bonus and sitting in an office collecting an overly paid salary. Management at its finest.
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You shouldn't compromise your integrity or work ethic. But how many older, high performing people do you know who were laid off? There is other employment out there and it is better to find it before you are forced to. Speaking from experience.
I am a high performer not being recognized. No promotions for 7 years. Minimal 2-3% raises but yet I get outstanding reviews, tons of everyday wins. It is very discouraging but I will not compromise my integrity or work ethic for the BS leaders. I care but do get discouraged. It’s hard to say no to projects if you see a beneficial outcome. I’m of the age I can’t leave and because of financial situation (thank you 3M?) I can’t retire yet
I don't understand downvoting the person who questioned why people don't leave if they don't see the point of giving it their best. How is that gaslighting or pivoting? I did my best, got laid off, got hired by a firm that loves me, and I wish I'd left sooner. Doing my best didn't work for me at 3M but it sure does somewhere else.
I was ranked and rated a high performer/ high potential for 3 of my 5 years with 3M. My role was eliminated to support the SMO. I went to the top leader of my function (who was also a mentor) and asked if I could move elsewhere/anywhere. The person I was now reporting to was completely unethical and the WORST manager I’ve had in my 20+ career. Guess who’s gone, and guess who isn’t.
Your reward is the satisfaction of a job well done.
Winners cross the finish line! Losers never finish.
High performers at 3M are a threat to the Kearney business. Those free thinkers will speak out and prove that consultants are damaging the business/company. Get rid of them first.
Think like a consultant. A consultant is a parasite. It needs to keep the host just barely functional to keep feeding. A healthy host would mean the end of the parasite's ability to feed.
Tireman is far more destructive than even he gives himself credit for. Don't underestimate his ability to destroy. But it's ok, he got Roman's permission on the front end.
Last post spoken like a true HR. Gaslight and pivot.
If you don't see the point of giving it your best, why not go to a company where you DO see the point of giving it your best -- and being rewarded for it? If you aren't adequately rewarded for your efforts, go someplace where you are.
Everyone is wired differently. If you are comfortable with the results you are achieving and are proud of your contributions then that's all that matters.
I busted my _ss for 35 years only to be eliminated in April. The few times I wasn't rated as exceeded or even frequently exceeded expectations on the 3 (and before that, 5) point scale was when I was told by my boss at the time that they had been told to scale back their rankings. I've had 2 supervisors literally apologize to me while giving me a "met expectations" rating.
In the end I performed to the level that met my own standards. When most of my team was eliminated almost a year ago during the early rounds I was spared the cutting block because I was identified as a high value employee. Little did I know that meant I would get to spend the next 9 months shoveling sh_t, doing 3X the work, and ultimately succeeding in making it easier for the external provider to transition into 3M, thereby expanding their scope to include additional positions, including mine. I effectively eliminated myself.
Would it have mattered if I'd underperformed? Would I still be collecting a paycheck? I doubt it. Not the way this ship is heading straight into the field of icebergs. Take care of yourself & your family. Be proud of what you do everyday.
When the company moves to the average in terms of talent, consistently for many years, it must mean this is what the company wants.
Very few of the leadership have created new business. Their performance at best, is average, yet gets rewarded.
People say things. People do things. In my experience, it is better to watch what they do, rather than what the say, for true understanding of their intent.
Companies are the same.