Thread regarding Teradata Corp. layoffs

looks like someone tried to malign RG but once the conversation starts, the root of the problem points back at them and they don't like it

OP: you actually believe RG made the decision to GA the product before it was ready ? I can assure you he tried to give the product time to mature, but SM and his merry band of carpetbaggers needed anything to try to keep current users from fleeing the platform altogether, and to continue the only engineering they understand: the financial kind. And so they dump RG and slapped a GA label on it and leave it to the rest of us to prop it up until they cash out, or they find a new financial engineering trick.

You also seem to think that RGs efforts to keep the field in the loop as much as possible, and to get early releases into users hands to get feedback, was a "con" ? Given your attitude, and of those upvoting you, I have to admit he was wrong about that, he should have known better than to engage such undeserving parasites.

@1psp+1liguhTc (is this RG?) you share a lot of accusations, but lack the most important piece of truth: then what was the product built for? What specific customer type or workload?

I don't care about incompetent managers or elt, but when my team for pulled in to help get it ready for la, we saw there was some amazing engineering and innovation, but no actual product - without the rest of engineering, this would still be an experiment.

To everybody making claims about vcle. I am working directly with a customer on it. it is an early product going through growing pains, but it is not a 16 release, and it is ready for production workers. And every team in engineering I work with is working on it.

so much time, money, and people wasted to build a bolt on

could have start from scratch with a fraction if there's competency

but those milking it at the executive levels will get their cut as usual

Everyone involved in this project knew it was destined for failure from the beginning. It was mainly a way to kick the can down the road while the ELT continued to collect paychecks. Even if it was successful, it would have been a 5 years too late "Snowflake me too" product but Snowflake and Databricks are years ahead. That is if the product worked which since it was rushed there are so many holes and the developers will soon be whistleblowers. Ringing the bell was a total circus and misled the market. Expect investigations once the truth comes out. Nobody on this project, including RG, has ever built a successful cloud database solution.

RG, his crew, and anyone competent knew they were not working on (nor promised) a complete replacement but something that complement the then current on prem product.

The new product addresses cloud workloads and provide separate business that would take a few years to mature like any start up.

HA have no clue of our product, technology, or capabilities promised the world, leading to SM setting unrealistic cloud revenue projections and timeframe. Once they had a clue, HA maneuvered but SM buddy DS was brought in to make the new product replace everything, pushing RG aside.

So with so much pressure for cloud ARR, they had to release something. The crew were livid, having to rush but mainly on having to work again for incompetent managers that they despise. There were stories where DS tried to assure the field the new product would do stuff that eventually RG and crew had to refute.

So with revenue not growing and pressure mounting, no doubt we will see posts like this to deflect and find scapegoats by management to save their hide.

actually this looks like a deflection or positioning post that would favor HA or DS by throwing RG under the bus on his way out

RG has faults but being a con man is not one of them

OP, your first paragraph has some serious allegations. I was hoping the second paragraph would have some hard facts to back it up. But alas, looks like you were part of the wannabe-Antares group. Or may be a TINO spammer.

The quality and performance is no different from original vantage as it stands today. If you knew the Vantage during the launch year or two, you wouldn’t be posting it.

What you are saying is that Teradata is just figuring out how to separate compute and storage in 2023. Only a decade late to market. Sad that there was no visionary to lead this company. How does the CTO still have a job. He’s been there in that role like 20 years.

RG is well respected within engineering. Vantage Lake is a new product and the 3rd revolution in the history of Teradata. 1st was in ~1993 when we moved from TOS (Teradata OS)/DBC1012 to PDE (Parallel Database Extension) on top of MPRAS/Unix. During that time, we also converted the code base from Pascal to C and implemented a new file system. 2nd was in ~2006 we moved from 32-bit MPRS/Unix to 64-bit Linux.

Vantage Lake is revolution from architectural perspective that it truly separates the compute and storage unit. In addition, we implemented a new file system on top of the object store to provide high performance Columnar data format.

IMHO it will take time to stablize Vantage Lake and first few customers will require special care from both support and engineering. However at the end of the day, Vantage Lake will be able to compete with other "cloud native" databases.

When you are desperate you will announce anything. What a farce. This ELT is just running out the clock while pocketing millions since the feckless BofD does not pay them on revenue growth. There is zero corporate governance. Put your friends on the board, then they approve your comp. We need an activist board member to expose this and clean house.

HA is ultimately responsible and she knew it was a poor product. She snowed the ELT and they just looked the other way so they could announce something to appear like we had a cloud-native solution. You will never see us break out any revenue for Vantage Lake since the customer take has been so low. Ringing the bell was a total joke.

That would be “serious”……