Thread regarding Alphabet Inc. (Google) layoffs

Huge shock coming to SWEs

The bull market of 2012-2020 is likely not going to be repeated again, I think a LOT of people are out of touch and many spent their entire careers in this conditions. Being able to up your salary every 1/2 years due to skills demand whilst stocks go to the moon has put a LOT of people out of touch.

A lot of boomers got caught out like this in the semi-conductor bo-m of the 90s and the DOTCOM bubble. I have seen companies that exploded in this timeframe and then after the bubble popped got stuck and every year the engineers thought maybe next year things will get "back to normal"

15 years later and those same people are still driving the nice BMWs and Mercs that they bought with their stocks and haven't been able to upgrade since because their mortage was taken on projected future earnings rather than their current ones.

I think a LOT of SWEs are in for a rude awakening as to how cyclical tech can be. There will always be skills demand but the supply is huge now with everyone and their mother getting a CS degree. They may remain employed, but doubling their TC every couple of years was not normal or even being able to replicate their Google TC may never happen again in their career.

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Post ID: @OP+1l2Jagi5

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@uwz+1l2Jagi5, I think you miss the point that there are a lot of "boring" tasks out there, hence different people are needed. You might be working on a new shiny thing, and I might be digging through terrible legacy code looking for a bug.

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Post ID: @5tob+1l2Jagi5

@1oas+1l2Jagi5 but all the good SWEs from overseas have already emigrated to HCOL places like the US and western Europe.

I sometimes work with the ones that stay at home. They aren't effective at all.

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Post ID: @2ttj+1l2Jagi5

I hope they keep expanding their h1b quotas. I hate to see American citizens being hired.

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Post ID: @1vxa+1l2Jagi5

I'm a boomer laid off in 2000. The current layoffs are indeed similar, and cyclical.

However, the long term problem is not. The pandemic taught every CEO that remote work is feasible for software engineers. And any job that can be done remotely can be done overseas.

Outsourcing requires communication overhead, and IMO overseas people are often not quite as good as American ones. But those arguments lose when they work for 1/3 of the salary.

Outsourcing will continue until salaries level out. Our best defense is to keep our skills sharp!

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Post ID: @1oas+1l2Jagi5

They pushed so many people to CS, especially women, in order to reduce the overall wage. This brings in people who are not passionate about programming but are told to enter a major just for the jobs. As a result you see so many developers who are happy filling in APIs, which is the most boring programming you can do. You then have startups that are essentially CRUD apps and make products that are indistinguishable from others or at most have a minor functional difference.

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Post ID: @uwz+1l2Jagi5

CS degrees don't mean much. Problem solving skills mean a lot, and just having a CS degree doesn't mean you have that.

People with real skills will (not may, will) see a dip in TC. I already see that in my own pay. But you are delusional if you think the median freshly minted CS degree-holder is going to be competitive. Those of us with skills will be back in the $250K+ range again soon.

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Post ID: @ykx+1l2Jagi5

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-google-settle-antitrust-lawsuit-hiring-collusion

Same type of strategy?

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Post ID: @thd+1l2Jagi5

Some of those SF companies colluded for years not to hire any engineers from each other.

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Post ID: @kyi+1l2Jagi5

Aside from just compensation expectations, it's also a worry that so many employees seem completely unprepared and in shock that they are not guaranteed life time employment. Some tech companies' employees seem more resilient than others. Those in the retail sectors seem more with it. Google employees look naive.

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Post ID: @dqe+1l2Jagi5

Right on, couldn't agree more. Same bubble does not inflate twice, lesson from history.

Add to that crypto and NFT bros (FTX, et al...), ain't coming back fellas...

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