Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

You should not have to worry about the deployment of satellites taking away terrestrial cell site jobs. But.....

Much of management has proven they are clueless, sociopathic and pretty much stupid when it comes to real analysis of what will and will not work when it comes to the network. And for those few that know better, they are spineless and will not speak up to stop the insanity. It would not surprise me for there to be mass layoffs if/when a handful of Elon's satellites get deployed and VZ jumps the g-n firing people with the thinking they will move customers to the satellite system. The facts are that the satellite systems will help the rural areas, and probably have some [more] governmental applications (more spying on our citizens), but high traffic areas will still need ground based cell sites. See the question asked on Google, and the response (bottom line - the pipe is not big enough to serve lots of people at the same time, and too many satellites would be needed to make it work).

Here is the question posted on Google (if you want to ask variations yourself):
How many simultaneous users can be served with 5 mbps download speeds on a single satellite (all beams) using the latest satellite and mobile technology and 100Mhz of bandwidth?

And here is the answer (NOTE the last section):

AI Overview
With 100 MHz} of bandwidth of bandwidth, a single satellite system with the latest 5G and mobile technology can serve between 4,000 and 12,000 active, simultaneous users (depending on the use of spatial beam multiplexing) at a guaranteed 5 Mbps download speed.
The Breakdown
To calculate how many simultaneous connections can be maintained, we must look at the mathematical throughput and spatial reuse of modern Non-Terrestrial Networks (NTN).
Spectral Efficiency: The latest 5G New Radio (NR) standards have a high spectral efficiency, delivering roughly (3) to (6\text{ bits}) per second per Hertz.
Total Per-Beam Throughput: For a (100\text{ MHz}) channel (the maximum standard carrier component), a single spot beam yields a peak capacity between (300\text{ Mbps}) and (600\text{ Mbps}).
Active User Allocation: If every user is actively streaming or downloading at exactly (5\text{ Mbps}) without sharing, a single beam can support (60) to (120) continuous, simultaneous users ((300\text{ Mbps} \div 5\text{ Mbps} = 60) users).

Scaling to the Whole Satellite:
Satellites multiply their capacity by reusing the same (100\text{ MHz}) bandwidth across tens or hundreds of spot beams directed at different geographic areas simultaneously (frequency reuse). If a high-throughput Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite utilizes 100 simultaneous beams, it can support between (6,000) and (12,000) simultaneous active users across the globe.


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Post ID: @OP+1ks936hnt

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@OP Be worried. Be very worried

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Post ID: @jz+1ks936hnt

Instead of beaming it from outer space, beam it instead from inner space.

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Post ID: @fj+1ks936hnt

Leadership told us TMO could not keep their growth trajectory, 15 years ago and they have and are winning. Leadership told us we didn’t need the iPhone and introduced the amazing BlackBerry Storm. Leadership told us we would never offer unlimited plans. Leadership said we would never work from home. Leadership continues to be clueless.

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Post ID: @d6+1ks936hnt

@ah - From the link you posted about ASTS - 1 phone/user got almost 100Mpbs over international waters (no other users/phones/interference), with the expectation to double that with a new, up and coming satellite. So VZ and AT&T give them $1.2 billion. You can't make this stuff up. What about capacity (think when there are thousands of phones/users wanting a piece of that bandwidth).

Directly from the article:
AST SpaceMobile confirmed it had recorded a peak cellular broadband download speed of 98.9 Mbps over international waters, beamed directly to an off-the-shelf smartphone from its Block 1 satellites currently in orbit.

That is faster than many home internet connections. And the phone required zero modifications.

SpaceMobile CEO Abel Avellan told investors that the company’s next-generation Block 2 BlueBird satellites, which feature the largest phased arrays ever deployed in low Earth orbit, are expected to double that speed to around 200 Mbps.

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Post ID: @an+1ks936hnt

Imagine walking around downtown Manhattan in those urban canyons. Look around, you will see slivers of sky. Manhattan is not the only city in the US, and buildings are not the only thing that can block satellite signals. Those satellites are moving fast. Think about the satellite handoffs that will have to happen, especially if you are in an area that is not a cornfield in Indiana.

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Post ID: @ak+1ks936hnt

With 35K satellites in orbit (not there yet), 1,500 to 1,750 Starlink satellites will cover the continental US at any given time, each using 100 beams of 100 Mhz bandwidth (assumption).

Each satellite supports 6k to 12k users using 100 MHz bandwidth and 100 beams.

Just taking an example for easy math: 1,600 satellites x 10k users = 16,000,000 users at 5 mbps for the continental US.

Let that sink in: 16 million users at 5 Mbps for the entire continental US (270 million ADULTS).

NOTE: 5 Mbps downlink (uplink will be less)

There are currently only ~10,300 Starlink satellites currently in orbit. A satellite's lifespan is only about 5 years. Gonna be a long while to increase the satellite count by a factor of 3.

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Post ID: @aj+1ks936hnt

@OP ASTS is the developing alternative... https://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/att-verizon-back-1-2b-broadband-bet-in-space-tech-leader

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Post ID: @ah+1ks936hnt

@a7, @a6 - If you are right, get ready for AOL downlink speeds AT BEST. The math does not work for anywhere except rural areas.

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Post ID: @aa+1ks936hnt

Verizon wireless is on its legs. The layoffs and terminations will continue till the only thing left is its infrastructure. Starlink(Spacex) will buy what’s left. It’s just reality. The Orange man with the tiny hands will let it happen

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Post ID: @a7+1ks936hnt

@OP Wrong. Elon will gobble up Vz. And use their infrastructure as relays. It’s going to happen. Writing is on the wall

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Post ID: @a6+1ks936hnt

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