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There’s a lot of buzz lately about using AI tools to dodge getting cut. But is this really happening? If you’re relying on AI tools, shouldn’t you be the one getting replaced?


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Post ID: @OP+1ks6v1k11

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AI usage is mostly just BS for legal reasons. Yes, they can claim that you were fired for not using enough AI. No, they're not going to tell you how they measured it.

Companies are being sued and fined for discrimination (ethnic, age, etc.) in hiring / firing.

Now suppose there's a group of low-paid underperformers who the company wants to keep. "They all used AI a lot."

Experienced people who have to solve real problems can't always rely on AI, so their usage may not be as high.

See how that works?

TL;DR: It's a legal dodge

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Post ID: @ed+1ks6v1k11

Don't be afraid of AI. It's a tool. Know how and when to use it.
I use it to do teamspace check-ins that pulls from sprint and posts to teamspace site with a. Template.

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Post ID: @ec+1ks6v1k11

The funny thing is that at the same time as companies replace employees with AI is the AI companies themselves are raising the price. It’s similar to the cost curve on outsourcing, especially to third party companies. Since the companies know the slack in their customers’ budgets, they also find ways over time to capture that slack. For example, in the past I worked at a firm which outsourced their internal technical staff to IBM. At the beginning of the contract, the firm was saving money due to the cost savings from salaries and other expenses. However, sure enough, over time, IBM found ways to squeeze more out of the firm, until the cost savings were captured by IBM. To add insult to injury, the satisfaction with IBM’s support was so bad that the firm ended up dropping IBM at renewal time.

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Post ID: @e0+1ks6v1k11

@de almost right. It won't be replacing your job, AI will still be doing that function, it will be replacing you.

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Post ID: @dv+1ks6v1k11

They want you to use AI to train it to replace your job eventually.

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Post ID: @de+1ks6v1k11

@bf people are prone to errors too. AI learns much faster than people so the errors reduce rapidly.

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Post ID: @d1+1ks6v1k11

@cq doubtful

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Post ID: @cr+1ks6v1k11

@ck oh you are in for a reckoning sweetheart

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Post ID: @cq+1ks6v1k11

@ca I read a lot of books and not comic books like you. Don't do your job the way they tell you and see how long you stay employed. If you do happen to get an interview for a new job they will be asking you how you use the tools, or similar ones, that you don't want to use. They will know if you actually understand how they work. The world is moving forward you can join it or become obsolete.

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Post ID: @ck+1ks6v1k11

@c9 really, how many studies have been completed? AI hasn't been in use long enough for there to have been any meaningful research on brain atrophy. Using AI may cause you to think through problems differently but it doesn't make you stop thinking.

Studies have shown that people like you who latch onto to anecdotal information spewed on the internet have suffered brain atrophy. Do you own research on the information you profess as facts.

Keep dreaming about getting your job back... adapt or die...

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Post ID: @cj+1ks6v1k11

@ax that’s actually not how it works at all. Agreements are two ways. Read a book.

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Post ID: @ca+1ks6v1k11

Studies have shown heavy AI users experience intellectual atrophy. Eventually when AI dies, and it WILL because it's environmentally and ecologically unsustainable, the heavy users will be less marketable than those of us who can innovate naturally.

They might lay us off today, but they'll need us back in a few years to clean up the mess.

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Post ID: @c9+1ks6v1k11

@bf

You are correct.
And unfortunately, it will end up not only scr*wing over just the tech companies, but humanity as a whole. This AIsh!t is about to cause worldwide mayhem, across the board.

Also, anyone chastising others to "use the tool" is a tool, themself.

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Post ID: @bj+1ks6v1k11

I see this backfiring majorly. AI while useful in some areas, is a machine that cannot be held accountable, and is prone to errors. By forcing everyone to use it will force rapid and unaudited adoption, and once those people get replaced, the knowledge of how something truly works goes out the door. It will take time, but this will sc--w over the major tech companies at some point. Probably in years, but it will happen. As we know ELT doesn't have much common sense for these things.

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Post ID: @bf+1ks6v1k11

I find it amusing when people don't understand how employment works. You get hired by a company to perform tasks that they define. If they change the definition of the work to include using a new tool of their choice that is now your job to do it. You are getting paid to do what they tell you to do. If they want your opinion they will make that feedback part of your job.

For those who can't figure this out let me help you succeed in your next job. They are going to want you to cook the hamburger patties on a grill. If you put them in the deep fryer because it is faster they will fire you. Follow the recipe.

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Post ID: @ax+1ks6v1k11

@a2 just use the tool and stop bi--hing! What is so hard about that. 🍿

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Post ID: @at+1ks6v1k11

Op! I know it’s easier to just complain about something you’re against vs just do it and get paid, make your life easier and enjoy your weekends when you can.

Allow me to make this clear. I’ve heard from the top down, this next round of LR’s is going to be strictly focusing on one major area. It’s users not using AI tools. You’ll be on the axe list if you are not making use of it and for good reasons. A VP stated this very thing with is not too long ago.

I will also share, there is 2K people being axed next round making a total of 6K. You can bet your a-s Fran will be up there reading from a skit again, “first let’s take a min and poor a glass 🥃 for the people recently let go AGAIN. . . and then hand the 🎤 over to Chuck, do you want to share anything” come time August.

Just use the tool. It makes your life a whole lot easier if you just use it.

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Post ID: @ar+1ks6v1k11

The reason they’re pushing AI tools so hard is because they want to supercharge the training of their models and replace you quicker in the future. You are effectively training your replacement.

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Post ID: @am+1ks6v1k11

@a3 Your days are numbered bud, trust me!

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Post ID: @a8+1ks6v1k11

@OP i havent used one AI "tool" on a company device yet. Still here.

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Post ID: @a3+1ks6v1k11

relying on AI tools isn't a bad thing by nature. everyone's going to be using AI, so how good you are at your job without AI is almost meaningless. many people su-k even with AI. they (as in tech leadership in general) want you to use AI tools. how you personally feel about it doesn't really matter. and why they think that's a good thing also doesn't matter. and right now, they're considering high volume AI usage as a good thing. it doesn't really show how well you're using it or how much actual productivity you're gaining out of it. but the latter are harder or even impossible to quantify. what they can quantify is how many tokens you're using.

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