Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

@gz lol your iq really comes through in this argument

@gz

to really contribute and thrive

I have not seen that at cisco for last 20years, most of them are parasites brought by their friends via L1 visa as Directors or PEs most of them do not contribute anything, just play politics and layoff real working engineers, then they start filling these positions with their IIT buddies in bay area at higher grades. Same thing is happening at Google, AWS, MS and PaloAlto networks and others. If you scan VP/SrDIR/DIR employees at these companies you will see common link IIT, being a parasite they usually join already successful companies sitting at high positions. Its a big mafia.

IITians come to USA and other western countries to really contribute and thrive. Just like Chinese have come here for decades and learned newer technologies.

With all these IITians, how come India have not come out with best defense planes, missiles and other new operating systems, computer languages and miltinatinal companies like USA ?

Truth is India and China depend upon USA to learn newer technologies or build their own services or support industry.

Difference is USA is not relying on Indian companies for newer technologies in Ai, defense and semiconductor

IITIans are good at learning from western text books but advance technology is all in other countries.

Congratulations! You have degrees from the finest universities, decades of "experience," titles like Principal Engineer and you can't answer basic questions about material taught in public high schools like basic data structures. I asked management up to the VP level at Cisco what training they had and the answer was always "none."

The curse of Cisco's margins is that it can keep failing in perpetuity. It didn't take long for people to convince themselves their failures were "the best anyone could do" which allows that failure to continue. Managers learned to say "the problem was far more difficult to predict and we spent years doing a few month's work because we're dedicated!" Anyone pointing out the emperors have no clothes are riding out on the next layoff.

@cx whatever your point was from this, I can say no more than likely including myself understood a darn thing of what you meant!

On that IIT discussion, and all myths and truths about ITT - here are some numbers.
You can change this at the edges but it is directionally correct, numbers are from wikipedia.

The last row has a summary.

So it's very competitive but not nearly as Ivy League schools. I did not, on purpose, calculate foreign Ivy enrollment which is about 15% - I excluded graduate students and that data pool would require more assumptions. We can play with layers of socio-economic data that would skew things a bit in USA's favor.

I think if we add another layer (let's say 10) of high ranking US schools here, you'd have a wash with ITT.

So, it's hard to get into ITT, it's very hard. Ivy is much harder. Based on numbers it's probably as hard as to get into a top tier US school, but the myth of having to be a Jedi to get into an ITT is not grounded in data.

Also, I am sticking with the academic consensus that human IQ is bell curve shaped and is the same in the USA and India. Ultimately, you'll get as far as your IQ, habits and socio-economic background allow.

India: ~260 million basically illiterate people (17%)
USA: ~3 million basically illiterate adults (~1%)
(Source: World Bank / UNESCO / PIAAC)

Population
India: 1.5B
USA: 350M

Literate Population
India: 1.24B
USA: 347M

Incoming Class
Ivy League: 15,774 freshmen
IIT: 92,966 freshmen

Competition (people per spot)
India: 13,338
USA: 21,998

they are use and throw type of people

@cb but most of them you find at cisco do not even have basic computer knowledge, let alone computer networking, having IIT on your resume does not automatically give you entitlement to be a VP/SrDIR/DIR.

@bm people here are underestimating how hard it is to get into an IIT ! ! 😅

@bh that is not possible, at least in Data Center BU, VPs and SrDirs are IIT classmates, Dirs and PEs are IIT classmates, they only LR hardworking Engineers and Managers that are not part of their IIT mafia.

@bg Cisco needs less parasites (less incompetent VP/SrDIR/DIRs).

Cisco needs more competent engineers

Agree. So sad and disgusting to see how the company has been rotten by the Indian managers.