Thread regarding Dell Inc. layoffs

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@d4 I don't know how EMEA works but, there is quite literally an official Dell policy mandating 5 days in office RTO.”

That is not written anywhere in the RTO section of the internal site.

@en It may not be policy, but my team in IT was warned last fall that we had 3 months to get into the office 45 times or there woukd be consequences that our director managers cannot protect us from. In mid January 3 of the team we're put on PIPs and another was terminated.

@d4 I don't know how EMEA works but, there is quite literally an official Dell policy mandating 5 days in office RTO... A company policy does not have to be "legal" dude lol.. It's not illegal for a company to demand employees to be in office 5 days a week - anywhere in the world.

In the USA, 49 out of 50 states have a "fire at will" meaning a company can literally fire ANYONE for ANY reason, at ANY time. A warning or reason is not required either.

Besides that though, companies can, and do fire employees for breaking company policies - policies in which you agreed to abide by when signing the contract when you were hired.

@dw Well your Execs/directors are full of sh-t because there is no policy that mandates ANY amount of time spent in office. Though I suppose if you value your job and paychecks then you should abide... But, they can't fire you for that as it's not a policy.

@a6 In ISG in the USA my team us being told 5 days a week 7 hours a day is the minimum we should be in the office. They used to let us work sat and sun from home but no more.

Once again - there is no RTO policy - no document fulfilling legal definiition of policy. Just random intranet website constantly modified that US management believes to be a policy and is wortless in EMEA.

Just get to the office and work a full time job if thats what they are paying you for. Nuff Said

Easy way around this, work from your customers sites as a direct resident for their business, become part of their business. Learn all about them, its high value to you, your brand, Dell and the customer. It works well and you dont need to be distracted in the office by Joanne Chatface and people wanting a meeting about a meeting

@a5 Most companies aren't fortune 500 companies, either... Most f500 companies aren't even 5 day RTO's, actually. The smaller companies are because they don't have the funds to continue remote workers while also paying rent on unusued building spaces.

@a5 Why are you still on a Dell forum if you work elsewhere lol? Get a life buddy... Nobody here gives two hoots about whatever company you work for now does.

Apple even has a 3 day RTO policy.
HP is 2-3 days/week
Lenovo is 3 days

Those are Dell's biggest competitors and even they don't have 5 day RTO policies.

@a6 SRO - but 40 is the bare minimum for us but 45 is preferred

What org are you guys in with 45 days? My manager told me this week our org expects 40 days (I’m in Doug S’s org).

Most of us at other companies RTOd years ago when covid was over. We can't all comprehend holdovers and have no sympathy nor can we understand your calculations for returning to the office where work is done. Get to the office before your job is replaced by someone that needs a job here or let someone in India take over before AI takes it. Am I wrong?

I've heard this as well but, it may be dependent on what each org is looking for so...

Heard the same. Because I was bored, I went and read through the official RTO policy and nowhere does it mention a required 'time spent in office' clause. Which is funny because when it first came out, there WAS a section that stated you should be in office for a "reasonable amount of time" but that has been taken out.

Legally speaking, you can't be fired or even disciplined for not being in office for 8 hours/day if it's not an official Dell policy. Doesn't mean you can still end up on a sh-t list but, it can't be due to not staying in office for xyz amount of time. Execs know this, as does HR.

Funny thing is that no matter how high up in the chain someone is, they can't actually fire/lay off ANYONE without HR's final approval. Not a manager, director, VP, SVP, or even President. MD is maybe the only person who can fire at will with zero approval from anyone.

Which is why those who get laid off are always on a "list" months in advance before layoffs happen - to give legal and HR a time to review and make sure it's legit and legal to do so, and prepare documents.

This is actually true. I recently asked my boss about this as well because my in office numbers were a bit low and he said that they are just looking for those who come in less than 45'ish days per quarter.