How many of you have experienced this?
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I had a consistent track record of E and O ratings, got dropped straight from E to NI. No significant explanation other than the usual story about rank pools getting more competitive. It's a highly subjective popularity contest. Don't think it's too common, but it happens.
My experience has been whenever k transfer to a new group the sending group will drop me on the way out! Really messed up and pi---s me off. Then I climb back up and another transfer happens and back to square one. Se thing with CL promotions. Every time I get a promotion almost they use it as an excuse to drop me! Lose your RSU award and then your promotion ends up costing you money! How f&$ked up is that!
I have seen it happen but have not experienced it. What I have experienced is totally arbitrary changes is my ranking with zero explanation. Your ranking depends on what your assignment is more than anything. Working in the shiny new thing? Ranked well. Working elsewhere or technical. Ranked poorly.
None of you are being discriminated against because of your age.
You’re being discriminated against because of your pay.
If you’re making more than $180k/year base salary for any large publicly traded company, every dirty trick will be used to get you to quit your job. You’ll eventually do this and your boss knows it. Once you’re gone, your job will be carved-up and distributed to the remaining employees. Rinse, wash, and repeat until they get to a class of employees with some pre-specified average base comp (say, $125k). Now you know how they “reset” compensation levels.
Unionization would stop this dead in its tracks, but you guys aren’t into that, and lots of you still have the Reaganite fantasy of being a tycoon. So…STFU and take the abuse.
@cd You know that you just said the performance review process is rigged, right?
@OP Has your leadership changed one or two levels up? If so, that may help explain it.
ENTIRE career was top-performer, not mid, TOP. In 2yrs, new mgr dropped to NSI. Like others, the timing was after age 50. Targeting was so obvious I laughed in the B’s face when the results were given. I carried the team, my 2min PDS summary was strategically altered to get the desired outcome. Overhead them talking abt how they can write staff PDS summary anyway they choose. Was def targeted b/c of age (higher pay) and look better short, jealous mgr …😂.
At 50+ expect a significant drop in spite of any good contributions you make. It's just part of the game. No big issue otherwise, just yourself a time based raise putting in 20% fewer hours. No one will question it
Went O to NI in 1 year. Soon as I hit 50.
Checked around afterwards to find out many many have experienced similar, albeit often over 2 years.
I went from an CL27 O to CL28 G in one year.
As a manager I have seen owd to ni in a year. Individual was cl 25
I know someone who did go from NI to O in one year. Put in a he-l of a lot of work and also had a manager that went to bat for him.
Total Troll. If you were OWD, no possible way you drop to NSI or PIP. If you’re an actual OWD at upper 20CL, you’ve been ID as HiPo. The sponsor you have would never let you drop like that. Not because they care about you, because it would make them look like they have poor judgement. For their own sake they would advocate to keep you no lower than E, EVER. Over years yes, it can happen, but one cycle, zero chance unless you’ve participated in a fireable act. If you’re one of the “2 hard cases this happened”, bs or you’ve always been a terrible employee and somehow faked your way through a “Outstanding With Distinction” cycle which is very unlikely. I think you’re liars on a phishing trip.
Finance Exec distribution maximized NSI + NI = PIP. Convenient rule change to drive sharp headcount reduction. Jobs reclassified to lower CLs, potentials dropped across the board closing the door on exec path for most. HR was 100% complicit allowing free-falls to happen, did not protect employees. New math expanding to lower CLs to achieve North Star 2030 headcount targets. Accepting my fate, likely won’t retire from here.
Not common (less than 5%) , but possible for those that Sc--w up badly. Usually well earned and usually overdue drop in ranking. The "halo effect" tends to protect highly ranked people over several cycles, until the evidence builds up over multiple years. Often times it is a result of an audit or deep review of some of the employees work and then the accumulated evidence is just hard to refute. Sometimes it is triggered by complaints to HR, but the deep dive finds problems. PS: DOAG violations (found on audit) are a common way for a high flying supervisor/manager to drop in ranking.
NI/NSI to OWD/O/E in 1 year.....can't happen. The other way around, much more common since DW.
Absolutely. Happened to me. 30 years in the top quintile to NSI in one cycle. You can fight your way back but if your older and they are no longer invested in you don’t expect to get into the top half again.
@bb 5 years of service, NSI = PIP
Yep can happen
Are you put on a PIP if you are NI, NSI, or both? It is absurd that I have to ask here to learn about the rules, but here we are.
I know at least 2 hard examples of O to NI
You bet 08801
It is becoming more common.
You change sups? Or teams ?
@a5 congratulations, you must have worked hard for that
Once you turn 55 years old, you are fair game for dropping to the bottom of the rank group. Also, if you are promoted from CL-27 to CL-28 you will drop from OWD/O/E to NI/NSI. The message is that you will need to fight your way up as a bottom feeder in CL-28 especially if you do not have staff reporting to you.
New leader, Q2 straight to PIP. No explanation given or documented. I think jeolocy might have been in play.
Common - I’d say no. Possible - absolutely! I’d look for the triggers: new manager, new assessment group, your demographic, work moving overseas…..am sure others will chime in